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I cannot find the evidence to support this claim, but I believe the Minneapolis Pride parade in Minnesota is the third largest in America, behind perhaps San Fran and New York. The newspaper article that said this and what years pride parade it reffers to are long forgotten and probably lost to me forever. But I believe this memory to be true. Our pride parade is pretty unearthly huge up here. Bigger than you might think. Oh hey! I found the article. In my silly little college paper, but still: http://www.mndaily.com/articles/2005/06/29/64723 Just like I remembered. 3rd largest behind San Fran and New York. Beat out Chicago, meaning we're probably the biggest in the midwest, assuming we don't include new york in that. These stats are according to organizers of our pride parade, so you can doubt them, but I like them fine. I still don't know if that means we're "internationally known" or whatever list we've got going here. 66.41.66.213 01:20, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] citation needed is not censorship

I don't want to seem unfriendly to this article, and for that reason I am putting this in the talk page:

This doesn't read like good wiki articles read, and conflicts on any issue will be difficult to resolve, because this doesn't have references. Policy states all articles should be referenced. Someone will get on this, I'm sure. 66.41.66.213 01:23, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Other viewpoint needed

Many, especially those with social conservative viewpoints, consider gay pride parades to be offensive. Can we not mention this on this page? Do these viewpoints suddenly "not exist"? --Jakes18 21:11, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Summer

"Most gay pride parades take place in the summer." For God's sake don't these people know that the world is not just the northern hemisphere? Changed. Oh that's alright to include I believe Jakes. --El Chemaniaco 13:44, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Focus or merge

This article's title and lead indicate it should be focused on the Pride parades specifically, however, the bulk of the article covers the subject/history of Gay Pride events generally which has an article already at Gay Pride. I do not dispute that a viable article could be written specifically on the parade itself, but this does not (yet) seem to be it. I suggest those regular editors of this page prune and focus it or considere merging with Gay Pride. AUTiger ʃ talk/work 15:58, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Opposition section

"Those who take socially conservative political positions are sometimes opposed to such events because they view them to be indecent and contrary to public morality. This belief is partly based on certain things sometimes found in the parades, such as public nudity, S & M paraphanelia, and other highly sexualized features."

Socially conservatives are against gay marriage. However, it does not state anywhere socially conservatives are against public nudity, S&M, or other sexualized features. Just because people are socially conservative does not mean they do not use S&M in their own home or are against role-playing. Also, how does being socially conservative have to do with public nudity? Do socially conservative people really view parades wrong because of nudity (which doesn't happen that often because of indecent exposure laws), S&M outfits, and other sexual features? It sounds like to me that socially conservative people are against pride parades because they often promote equal rights (gay marriage), which socially conservative people are against. I propose completely rewording this paragraph, unless there are some sources to back it up. -ChristopherMannMcKay 17:28, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

The above has two false arguments. "does not mean they do not use S&M in their own home or are against role-playing" The key phrase is in their home; many are against public sexual acts, however. "nudity (which doesn't happen that often because of indecent exposure laws)" Nudity does, in fact, occur. Metro police departments do not want to get into it with such a politically organized and connected group, especially in cities like SF. Nudity laws go unenforced to a large extent. Ask yourself this: Why have many San Francisco Bay Area TV channels stopped broadcasting the Pride Parade recently? These stations are nominally supportive of the movement, but now fewer show the parade. The answer is offensive comment. That last thought may be arguable, but the drop off in air time is not. Check it out.

Is this about gay pride parades in general or gay pride parades in San Fransico? It seems to me that since social conservatives are against the parades in general even in places where the offensive element does not occur (and the police would be extremely willing to arrest anyone who does break the rules) it's clearly much more complex then that. Also, maybe the San Francisco Bay Area TV channels stopped broadcasting the parade is because they're afraid of upsetting social conservative not because of nudity? Nil Einne 20:29, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] References to Taiwan on Wikipedia

This was in the Taiwan section. Is this really necessary? "On November 1, 2003 the first gay pride parade in the country of Taiwan (Not a country, but the Republic Of China), was held in Taipei, Taiwan with over 1,000 people attending." Is there a policy about Taiwan/China references on Wikipedia? If not, this sentence is really awkward. Joe056 13:44, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Page should be ‘Pride parade’ not ‘Gay pride parade’

Part of the concept of Pride from the start has been inclusiveness, and as such, they do not specify ‘gay’, other than a few smaller and newer ones. The addition of the tag ‘Gay’ to it was about marginalization.

Pride comes out of the gay community but is not restricted to it.

Yes, but the point of these parades is pride in the LGBT area, not just overall pride. You don't see white people standing on floats saying white pride, or black people standing on floats saying black pride, etc. It could, perhaps, be changed to LGBT Pride Parade, but just saying pride parade would be incorrect. Pride is not exclusive to the LGBT community, whereas the pride referenced in these parades is. Sure, people who are not part of the LGBT community can show support, but it's still pride in LGBT all the same. Besides, most people refer to them and know them as gay pride parades, so enough of this PC bullshit. It's a gay pride parade, or LGBT pride parade, that's it. Include them all you want, but a bunch of dudes in tight revealing leather parading down the streets on a float do not represent pride as a whole. Sandwiches99 (talk) 00:22, 3 January 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Neutral POV (Eastern Europe)?

Article reads "Weak cultural, political and social cooperation exists among these states, with an obvious lack of public encouragement for solidarity, which organizers hoped to initiate through that regional Pride event." So, the unwillingness to organize gay parades means weak social cooperation etc? Many people in these countries (I come from one of them) have nothing against gays, they feel no problems working together with gays and so on, but they oppose artificial promotion of sexual orientation such as pride parades. Other people are just sincere christians and are against gays just because their priest says so. So although I'm not exactly anti-gay myself, I feel this is a really biased conclusion. Can it be backed by any sources or anything, proving that disallowing gay parades automatically says something about the social solidarity of the country/city??? --213.113.65.23 (talk) 23:15, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Stonewall riots were on June 28, not 29

The Stonewall riots took place early in the morning of June 28, 1969, not "Early in the morning of June 29, 1969" as stated at the beginning of this article's History section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.255.112.21 (talk) 21:34, 23 May 2008 (UTC)