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Vietnamese Characters

From memory, there were a numbers of relevant Vietnamese characters in the movie, although none of them are listed in the synopsis of characters. Can someone with the info correct this omission? ~ trialsanderrors 06:21, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Absolutely no reason for "blanket party" of Leonard

The guy was trying, the guy was taking it seriously. If anything he was trying too hard and was too nervous, and that was causing him problems.

The guy was a fuck up. I will be 100% clear about that. I will concede that. He didn't seem to be able to do anything right. He was clearing washing out. And it was a failure of leadership by Sgt. Hartmam not to go ahead and make the obvious decision and kick him out.

Instead, while Leonard was sleeping, the guys all gather around (only the recruits, not the sergeant), use a blanket to hold him to the bed, and beat him with bars of soap folded in towels. This is also called a "code red." yeah, just great. Including his friend Joker who acquiesced to this. First you're trying to teach the guy and then, what, you decide he's not learning fast enough? Now, if Leonard had not been trying, I don't think that would have carried the case in favor of this, but at least there would have been a case to have been made. As it stands, I don't see that there was any case in favor of this beating.

Now, the interesting point psychologically, no one suggested it to the guys. It's as if they were doing what was expected of them, and there was no more to it, nor less to it than that. As soon as Hartman started the group punishments, it's as if they took the next step in the script that everyone seemed to know. And it wasn't as if it was a branch-point and or a skill set with multiple actions, some of them appropriate in some circumstances, others appropriate in other circumstances. No, they somehow intuited the one and only thing that was expected of them. And they did it--without thinking it through at all, and without seriously considering even one alternative.

(I don't feel I'm explaining this real well, but don't you think something like this was going on? I certainly do. And if you can add a better explanation, please, I can use your help. I have not been in the service myself, I wish to lay that on the table. And I especially invite the comments of those who have.) FriendlyRiverOtter 07:08, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

All military training is preparation for combat. So there is MUCH less tolerance for mistakes and weakness than in most civilian jobs. The fact that "he was trying" is nice but not good enough. In combat everyone's life, and the success of the mission, depends on the whole team doing their jobs and not letting anyone down. So in the military there is a much harsher attitude towards those who can't cut it. The stress of training is a deliberate attempt to see who can do their job while under that stress and who can't. We all have a breaking point but it is different in different people. Ask yourself if you'd want Gomer covering you. Do you want your life depending on him? The other thing is, the group cohesion in a military unit is far, far stronger than in any civilian job. It is more like a family. It is very hard to go against the group. DMorpheus 16:32, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Surely the reason for the scene is that they were all showing their frustration at being punished for his mistakes. Maybe it was a failure of the sarge not to kick him out, but this scene shows the result of his decision. The film doesn't show them arranging to beat him, but you can assume they did plan it. I don't think it was some bizarre coincidence that they all had a desire to beat him at exactly the same time. As a viewer I think this adds to the surprise of this shocking scene. I think the reason Joker joined in is that he didn't want the same treatment. If he didn't go along with it he might have ended up getting a similar beating.

Lucasmaximus 16:27, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Music

I've added information about the music, regarding the period the music is from. --Allseeingi 21:09, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Free Bird was not actually recorded until the mid 1970s, not before 1968 as noted in the article. Is it possible to have that changed? -- budcrew08

Surfing Bird

Althou IMDb says that "Surfing Bird" was performed by the Trashmen (they are the authors of the song) I am pretty sure that the versioon played in the movie is the Ramones famous cover to this song. Anyone who has the DVD can confirm that? --Daniduc 23:38, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

I have the soundtrack and it was certainly the Trashmen version. Using the Ramones version would be anachronistic. Of course, you don't need to take my word for it, since he said it himself in his 1986 interview with Rolling Stone: "It was the music of the period. The Tet offensive was in '68. Unless we were careless, none of the music is post-'68.". Kubrick paid attention to details like that. --BluePlatypus 23:51, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
That's right, it was the original Trashmen version. DMorpheus 16:32, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Quotes

I think the quotes section does nothing for the article and is largely consuming space on the page. I don't see any real reason why they should need to be there at all.

They do serve to give a flavour of the black humour running through the film. But I agree that they are largely superfluous and there certainly doesn't need to be so many of them. I suspect the person who posted them rather enjoys quoting them, like many of us, and put them up for that reason JRJW (13 December 2005)
I say we cut down most of these quotes and leave only a couple of (short) quotes. Any ideas on which ones we should keep? --Deathphoenix 14:47, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
I've cut down the quotes, leaving three. If someone wants quotes from the film they can easily click the wikiquote link on the page. --Allseeingi 16:57, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
nicely done. Kingturtle 20:46, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
The quotes section has risen from the ashes - I've turfed it altogether. Imdb.com has a selection of quotes if anyone really wants to see them. They had nothing to the article for anyone who hasn't seen the movie.Michael Dorosh 02:35, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
If we're gonna have quotes, why put them on the article and not at Wikiquote?

--65.94.4.40 20:08, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

We shouldn't have quotes. That's what wikiquotes is for. Kingturtle 03:45, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Michael Dorosh has removed the quotes. Oh goody -- Now we can begin the whole cycle (of growing the quotes one-by-one, and eventually discussing and arbitrarily nuking them) over again! (Can you tell that I, and apparently the many other editors who keep re-adding quotes) think that a limited number of quotes should stay?) Atlant 13:08, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
They need to serve a purpose if they are going to stay. This isn't a fan site, and the quotes have to do something to illustrate or explain the movie to those that haven't seen it. It can't just be an indiscriminate collection of "favourites". The quotes were taking up a quarter of the article or something - sorry, but I just don't see what purpose it serves. There are plenty of fan sites out there, and even imdb had an extensive collection of them. The ones selected weren't even that poignant - a good quote will capture an important idea or concept in one or two sentences. The ones quoted here was just a rehash of Hartman's abuse of Pyle. What's the point? Hartman and Pyle's character were already summed up in the character sections.Michael Dorosh 13:26, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
The problem, of course, is that other editors will come along and re-include quotes, as you saw happen from the last time you wiped all the quotes. I think you're trying to fight human nature here, and you'll either need to spend a lot of time maintaining the article or, as I suggested above, the cycle of accretion/deletion will simply repeat ad infinitum.
Atlant 14:11, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

"Leave her to the mother loving rats" is the correct quote.

Theme

The theme part here should be rewritten. It's not NPOV and smacks of original research. Things like: "Although often said to contain two distinct parts, the film can be categorized into three." don't belong here. If someone says the film has two distinct parts, then summarize that opinion and provide a reference. If someone else says it has three parts, summarize and reference that too. But I can't see how it's within the guidelines to advocate one interpretation of a movie over another. --BluePlatypus 00:01, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, a lot of the article seems like conjecture and analysis. I'd like to see more facts, historical revelance, etc. For example, the DVD was in 4:3 rather than widescreen. Was this the original size or pan-and-scanned? If it was originally shot like this, was there a reason? Background like this make more of a useful article in an encyclopedic article. Pipedreambomb 08:43, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Changing my comment - While I think the analysis is apt, and the movie does divide nicely into three parts, and agree with this interpretation of the movie, the majority of the theme section does seem to be original research and should be either verified or deleted.Michael Dorosh 20:58, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Format

Pipedreambomb asks:

For example, the DVD was in 4:3 rather than widescreen. Was this the original size or pan-and-scanned? If it was originally shot like this, was there a reason?

Kubrisk shot a lot of his films in full-frame (4:3) and they were then matted-down to make a wide-screen theatrical presentation. So the DVD is actually providing the entire image that Kubrick photographed. (And I'm pretty sure I read that on Wiki somewhere. ;-) But if not here, then IMDB. )

Atlant 00:55, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Confusing sentence

"To which Marines when they capture the sniper, mercy kills her with a point blank shot." I have no idea what this means. I know the part of the movie, but I'm not sure what the writer wanted to say here. Rahulchandra 02:44, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

The sniper is the mortally wounded by a rifle blast and barely alive. She is then executed - or "mercy killed" if you will - by Private Joker from close range with a pistol. (I've left it as is though. Got no real idea about the intentions for that particular paragraph.) --Netizen 00:10, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Synopsis and Trivia

The plot outline for the first half of the film is pretty light. It needs filled out. Also, most of the trivia (if memory serves), comes from the movie's IMDB page. It needs sources. Levid37 15:23, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I deleted the racial bigotry trivia point because it doesnt make sense and selectively quotes the movie, the rest of the quote points out that there is no bigotry because the drill instructor hates all races equally. --Cptbuck 02:10, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Joker

It interests me that Joker spends most of the film feeling smugly superior to his fellow Marines, but caves in to peer pressure at two climactic points (the murder of Sergeant Hartman and the killing of the sniper), with fatal results. -- Cranston Lamont 22:34, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

How does he cave in to peer pressure? Pyle kills Hartman (Joker is screaming "NO!" while he does so) and Raptor-Man kills the sniper, sure Joker finishes her as it were but its a mercy killing, one that he wants and that his squad mates dont.

That's part of the point isn't it? The 'dualism of man', the conflict between individual and group, the huge need in the military to conform to the group because that's how missions are accomplished and people survive. I thought that was part of what the movie was saying - that it doesn't matter how superior you think you are or even if you really are a more sensitive, thoughtful, articulate person - if you want to survive in combat you need to "get with the program" in the words of that MF colonel at the mass grave site. DMorpheus 18:14, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Anti-War Film?

In the Category section, the film is categorized as an anti-war film. However, according to Stanley Kubrick: A Life in Pictures, Stanley Kubrick is said to had made this film without any moral judgements making this neither an anti nor a pro-war film. If it is correct, then can somebody edit this? Thanks. --71.83.182.91 20:04, 18 July 2006 (UTC) I defy anyone to watch it and feel that it supports war in general.--MartinUK 21:42, 25 June 2007 (UTC) It doesn't support war in general, that's not what the user was saying, Martin. "Neither anti nor pro-war" usually means just that. Neither anti nor pro-war.

United Artists vandalizer

Karl eichholtz 13 has continually modified info on this article to state that United Artists distributed this film. All his edits have given no reasoning or proof. Three minutes of research n imdb.com showed that Warner Brothers had distibuted every single release of the film and had no mention of United Artists. If this user modifies this info again, please revert it and give the user a proper warning; he has vandalized before.Gdo01 03:10, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

74.130.202.31 may also be "Karl eichholtz 13." This IP user has added misinformation in the same manner as "Karl eichholtz 13" and should also have their edits on this article scrutinized.Gdo01 19:36, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Joker kills the sniper?

I'm not going to edit this but when I watched the movie I got the feeling that Joker killed the sniper out of mercy. As I recall Animal Mother wanted to leave the Gook to die on the floor for shooting their leader and the two other guys. Joker was the only person who wanted to shoot the girl because he felt he couldn't have left her their to suffer and die for long. Thats the impression I got based on what was said, but maybe someone might want tol look into this more

That's what I had assumed he had done. And for future reference, you might want to put "gook" in quotes, as it is a racial slur. Don't forget to sign your comments as well. Cheers. --MasterA113 13:16, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Themes

I'm going to delete this section. I haven't gone through the history, but it appears to have been needing work for some time. This appears to be one person's opinion of the themes, and I highly doubt it was from a notable source. I'm a bit weary about deleting this much text about themes (since it's subjective), but the arguments/examples used to point out the themes are just so weak, I don't see how it adds to the article.

Some of the irony is questionable. Pyle killing Hartman is somewhat ironic, but pulling a trigger doesn't require a lot of training. The mention of Oswald and Whitman isn't ironic; they were taught how to kill people from a distance and they succeeded. The fact that it wasn't an enemy per se isn't ironic, it's just tragic. Irony would be if they (as sharpshooters) died while cleaning their gun. I don't see any irony in the "you don't lead them as much" statement. It's not even a joke, but that's besides the point. It's been a while since I seen the movie, but wasn't the sniper the prostitute we see earlier in the movie? I dont' remember her being a school girl. Besides, what's ironic? That the sniper was a small asian female? Because women can't shoot? This seems to stem from some gender or cultural bias.

As for the religion, it's hardly a theme. Hartman could have just as easily asked Joker about the president instead of the Virgin Mary. Religion, or the Virgin Mary wasn't the point of this scene.

The examples for the transformation theme aren't the best. I never got the impression that Pyle was gentle or sweet, but that he was simple-minded. He doesn't transform into some sophiscated, calculating killer; just desperate, vindictive and suicidal. As for Joker killing the sniper, it could easily be argued if it was in "cold-blood". The same section mentions it was a mercy shot. If anything, that shows that Joker hasn't transformed into some jaded, heartless animal like some of the others in the squad. The rest of the paragraph is just opinion. jag123 12:33, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Excellent points, I Support the deletion of that section.Michael DoroshTalk 13:36, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Images

Only one shot of the movie? It's not a particularly good one either, in my opinion. Gohst 12:52, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

WP policy is clear that only one screenshot per movie is permitted.Michael DoroshTalk 13:01, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Oh right. Well, still could have a better one. Like perhaps one of Mathew Modine's character. Seeing as though he's the main character and all. Gohst 07:38, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
There are 2 now, but I'll see if I can replace them with one of Pvt. Joker later today. --MasterA113 13:18, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Irrelevant

I've removed the following:

"Roger Ebert gave the film a Thumbs Down in the same show he gave Benji the Hunted a Thumbs Up."

This information adds nothing to the article. RichMac 10:21, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. I was going to come back to this unless someone else had a source and expanded on its relevance. Jayvdb 11:31, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Criticism

You have a quote here by Roger Ebert, but it is not representative of the critical reaction to Full Metal Jacket. It is the opinion of one critic and one critic only. If this section is to be maintained, I would encourage it to be expanded and add reactions by other critics, maybe with different views. And possibly add some bibliography, as Full Metal Jacket has been focus of a great number of academic essays. These three come to mind as particularly significant:

Moore, Janet C. "For Fighting and for Fun: Kubrick's Complicitous Critique in Full Metal Jacket". Velvet Light Trap, 31:39-47. Spring 1993.

White, Susan. "Male Bonding, Hollywood Orientalism, and the Repression of the Feminine in Kubrick's Full Metal Jacket". Arizona Quarterly, 44(3): 120-144. Autumn 1988

Williams, Tony. “Floating ‘in a World of Shit’ – Full Metal Jacket’s Excremental Vision”. Film and Philosophy, v.1. 121-135. 1994.

--201.78.71.98 02:40, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Personally I always disagree with Roger Ebert. I was way more in agreement with Siskel. I liked this movie so it doesn't surprise me that Roger Ebert didn't. And I don't really know why the Robert Ebert quote is in here. He isn't the last word on film reviews. -- 66.171.76.140 05:16, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree that the inclusion and focus on Ebert's review is odd when it is so out of step with the critical consensus of the movie.--193.203.82.194 12:05, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Cultural References Officer and a Gentleman?

I never saw this movie- but 2 times in the Cultural references here they reference the "Steers and Queers" line (From An Officer and a Gentleman: "only 2 things come out of oklahoma boy, Steers and queers... now I don't see no horns on you- so you must be a queer.") Did they do this line in FMJ too?? Trcrev 20:50, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

yes, but it was texas. IIRC, the line was "holy jesus, texas! only two things come from texas, steers and queers. and you don't look like a steer so that kinda narrows it down now, huh?" or something like that. 124.106.193.225 05:57, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

There were two assistant DIs.

"Technically, each training Platoon would have been run by three Drill Instructors, Hartman is an amalgamation of all three."

They showed the other two assistant DIs on several occasions. Unless I see a rebuttal I'll delete this line. John DiFool2 00:23, 24 March 2007 (UTC)


R. Lee Ermey and TV show of Starship Troopers?

Eh? There was an animated cartoon show, but what did RLE have to do with that?

Removed Cultural References

Removed cultural references as almost none of it is references, none of it is notable, it increases the article size without any encyclopedic content, and because it violates Wikipedia:NOT. --Wasted Sapience 18:33, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Cultural References

  • In The Simpsons episode, "Homer Alone", Mayor Quimby and Chief Wiggum are having an argument, Quimby threatens Wiggum, and he answers back: "you talk the talk Quimby, but do you walk the walk?", in reference to when Adam Baldwin argues with Matthew Modine. Also in the episode "Sideshow Bob's Last Gleaming", Col. Leslie "Hap" Hapablap (voiced by R. Lee Ermey) says, "What is your major malfunction?" to Sideshow Bob, which is a line delivered by Ermey's character in Full Metal Jacket. Also, in the second season, when Bart and Todd Flanders compete in a mini-golf tournament, Homer demands that Bart name his putter. When Bart sheepishly calls it "Mister Putter", Homer retorts "Charlene! Your putter's name is Charlene.", the same name Private Pyle gives to his M-14.
  • Electronic Gaming Monthly magazine wrote sub-par scores for Full Spectrum Warrior: Ten Hammers. At one point in the review, Crispin Boyer compares the bad artificial intelligence for the controllable squads to Gomer Pyle in this sentence: "It's like the developers took the promising tactical-shooter premise of the original and dialed back its fun, replacing it with unwieldy controls, Gomer Pyle-caliber A.I., and just plain glitchy moments."[1]
  • In the video game Conker's Bad Fur Day, Birdy the Scarecrow says to Conker the Squirrel "Long time. You love manual, long time" as he is introducing Conker to the manual. This is a reference to a line uttered by a Vietnamese prostitute in the film.
  • In Crash Tag Team Racing, Gunnery Sergeant Hartman's "What is your major malfunction" line is quoted by a Park Drone when the latter is attacked by Crash.
  • In the cartoon show South Park in the Episode "Cow Days", Cartman gets hit on the head and thinks he's a Vietnamese prostitute, continuously using phrases borrowed from the prostitute of Kubrick's film. In the episode "Lice Capades", Kenny is threatened to be assaulted with soap bars inside socks for lying about having head lice.
  • In an outtake from the animated series Drawn Together (which appears on the Season 1 DVD), the housemates mimic the scene in which Pvt. Pyle is beaten with soap cakes rolled up in socks, attacking Toot Braunstein in the same fashion.
  • In the show Family Guy, Stewie re-enacts the "This is my rifle, this is my gun" scene from the barracks in the episode A Picture Is Worth a 1,000 Bucks. Also, the line "only queers and steers" is used when Stewie and Brian are in the army, in the episode Saving Private Brian. This line was also used in an episode of "Will and Grace", where Jack talks about the only things that come from Vermont during his show "Just Jack".
  • In the show Scrubs Lee Ermey plays the Janitor's father, and uses the line "Sound off like you've got a pair", while forcing his son to do Push ups, parodying a scene in the movie.
  • In the song 'Sgt. Baker' by the band Primus the lyrics involve military training and use the line "steers and queers, steers and queers, where you come from there's just steers and queers, you ain't got no horns boy".
  • The videogame Opposing Force, an expansion of the 1998 videogame hit Half-Life, features a boot camp where much of the dialogue from the intructors is taken from the movie, often quoting Lee Ermey. At one point, an instructor asks a recruit "Where are you from? Texas!? Holy mother, you know what comes from Texas, right?". In the movie, Lee Ermey says that only "steers and queers" come from Texas. Besides that, the medic/MP character from the game heavily resembles Pvt. Cowboy from the movie. The phrase "Sound off like you've got a pair" can be heard from the drill sergeant in the training mode of Opposing Force, when the main character is asked his name.
  • In the videogame Starcraft, upon choosing the siege tank repeatedly, the siege tank driver asks "What is your major malfunction?" which is a line delivered by Ermey's character in Full Metal Jacket.
  • In the videogame Warcraft 3, when the player clicks on the Tauren Chieftain repeatedly, the Chietain says "Only two things come from Texas, and I've got horns," a parody of Lee Ermey's line in which he says only "steers and queers" come from Texas. Also, the Orc Grunt says "Me so horned. Me hurt you long time," and the Night Elf huntress says "This is my owl, there are many like it, but this one's mine," parodying the chant the marine recruits say in training.


  • In the videogame Crackdown, when the player kills civilians the voice that follows you throughout the game will ask "what is your major malfunction, agent?"
  • Sri-Lankan singer/rapper M.I.A. has a song entitled "10 Dollar." Lines similar to the exchange with the Vietnamese prostitute are in the song--"What can I get for ten dollar?" "Every-ting you want."
  • Kenny Blankenship of the show MXC discusses his idea of creating a "macho chick flick" called Full Metal Jacket with Matching Shoes. Apparently, the film would have ended with "a cute wedding, then everything explodes".

what does P.T. stand for?

  P.T. stands for Physical Training, or "exercise" for your civilian types.

Lock Nomination

I would like to nominate this article to be locked. This is a high-interest article by many, many people, most of whom stumble across this page on Google and start making mindless changes, impregnating the page with typos, misspellings, and errors-in-fact. I suggest locking this page to only registered users indefinitely.Robotempire 11:08, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Old People Fuck

Should the following line be added to the quotes section: "Private Pyle, you climb obstacles like old people fuck!" I know there were many quotes but this is one of my favorites.--Dominik92 18:15, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Is it really necessary to add every line of script from Full Metal Jacket to this article? Robotempire 18:00, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
No of course not, I limited the quotes section down to three.--Dominik92 02:03, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Full Metal Jacket

Does anybody else think that "Full Metal Jacket" should redirect to the movie rather than to the type of ammunition? I think it's a more frequent search.--Dominik92 02:11, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

semi protect

Can someone request this article for semi-protection. People keep adding unnecessary quotes and fill it with spelling mistakes and terrible grammar.--Dominik92 17:00, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Platoon/Squad Leader

I'm confused, when the 'Platoon leader' was killed, didn't 'squad leader' Crazy Earl- become Platoon leader & Cowboy simultaneously become squad leader? GoodDay 18:59, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Cast list

The list of cast and characters is waaay too long. That is what the Internet Movie Database is for. I've removed some of the less important ones and dumped 'em here:

  • Kirk Taylor as "Payback": A veteran correspondent with the Marine PIO unit, Payback brags of having been out in the shit (combat), telling Joker and Rafterman he has the thousand-yard stare of the burnt-out combat infantryman.
  • Bruce Boa as The Pogue Colonel: The Marine colonel who berates Joker at the edge of the mass grave of civilians, reprimanding him for wearing a peace symbol. He suggests Joker be more enthusiastic about winning the war or he will court martial him. Notably, "pogue" is a military slang insult for poseur non-infantry soldiers and marines.
  • Sal López as T.H.E. Rock: The Mexican Marine.
  • Marcus D'Amico as Hand Job: so nicknamed for masturbating in the psychiatrist's office while pursuing a Section Eight discharge. He is killed by machine gun fire shortly after Lt. Mr Touchdown is killed.
  • Peter Edmund as Private "Snowball" Brown: A Black recruit so nicknamed by D.I. Hartman, and briefly Joker's squad leader.
  • Gary Landon Mills as Private Donlon: A Black RTO (radiotelephone operator).
  • Stanley Kubrick as Murphy: the unseen fire support REMF of Cowboy's platoon.
  • Ngoc Le as the Female VC Sniper

-- J.D. 15:30, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Long Distance Views in Full Metal Jacket

This link which I have just restored has been here for over a YEAR without anyone having a single issue with it. I am simple restoring the status quo. Two independent arbitrators have demonstrated (see Wikiquette alerts) that my Kubrick links are neither spam nor self-promotion. Indeed, this "Long Distance Views in Full Metal Jacket" document doesn't even have my name on it. It is purely scholarly, and for the benefit of all Kubrick fans, newcomers, students, and scholars. If any editor new to this page has an issue with the restoration of this link, then it will have to be demonstrated that my article lacks scholarly merit. I welcome any discussion.Scrooby 20:17, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

I note that MarnetteD has again removed my link to the scholarly article (which doesn't even have my name on it) without a single comment on this talk page. I am taking it up with the independent arbitrators. Scrooby 21:39, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
More than one editor has found that this external link does not meet the WP:EL requirements. Please see the discussion at the Talk:Eyes Wide Shut page for confirmation. MarnetteD | Talk 22:19, 6 October 2007 (UTC)