Talk:From Russia with Love (film)

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  • CITE, SOURCE, REFERENCE the whole article.
    • A good source for the Background would be "Inside From Russia With Love" on DVDs Y Done David Spalding (☎ ✉ ✍) 03:16, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Plot is too long, shorten to about 700 words. Y Done Tovojolo 09:46, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Cut down images but don't remove all of them. One of two can be removed.Y DoneTovojolo 08:54, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Expand Reception section
  • Check out Casino Royale (2006 film) to do the Cast section correctly Y Done Midx1004 11:09, 28 July 2007 (UTC) (Well, I've had a go anyway. :) )
  • Cite Soundtrack section, however the info is good. Appears to be Y Done ... ? David Spalding (☎ ✉ ✍)

The above was added by SpecialWindler talk 01:12, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

This article was split off from From Russia with Love. Edit history prior to the split is at [1].--Kchase T 19:29, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Contents

[edit] Background

The background section appears to me to lack a neutral tone of voice. Sum0 23:20, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I've removed the last part now, since it has nothing to do with the background. - Jetro 13:39, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Budget

Sorry to mess up this article again... but about everywhere I've read, the budget for this film was $ 2 000 000, not $2 500 000. I've often heard: "The producers doubled their budget for their next film". I googled it just now and according to most pages the budget was $ 2 000 000, not 2,5 mill. - Jetro 15:41, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm now changing the number of the budget, as no one seems to react. According to IMDb, I'm right. - Jetro 20:55, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

IMDB is questionable as a reliable source, but if you can find another legit reference (online or otherwise, but cite it properly, please!) that corroborates that figure, that's sensible. (Background: discussions on WikiProject Films are asserting that IMDB is getting less and less support on WP as a RS, since it has minimal editorial control, and numerious errors infiltrate the database.) David Spalding (☎ ✉ ✍) 14:19, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Plot

All references to "pre-credits", "the film opens ..." & "the theme song plays" and the like should be edited out as they are nothing to do with "plot". Only the story within the film is relevant. This was corrected until reverted!--Olaf Legend 05:38, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Plot accuracy and other accuracies

Please do not incorporate changes based on what you think you remember from the film, or they will be eliminated with extreme prejudice (joke). ... As this article is a GA candidate, please ensure your changes are verified with cited references and based on review of the film in front of you. Shouldn't be hard, it's out on video in 4-5 forms. Thanks. - David Spalding (☎ ✉ ✍) 17:30, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

  • When will WP:007 learn to send specific, and neutral comments? Which references are you talking about? Vikrant Phadkay 14:51, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Stop edit warring ... and certainly, desist from personal remarks here and in your edit summaries. How are my comments not neutral? By sources, I refer you to WP:RS for the policy guidelines on sources to cite. David Spalding (☎ ✉ ✍) 14:26, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Now you see it, now you don't:: Stock image of mosque

The images (or an image) of Basilica Cistern and Hagia Sophia, the mosque where Tatiana passes the embassy floor plan to Bond, have been coming and going. I agree with the removers that a stock photo, even if it's public domain, is decorative at best, and not as illustrative as a screen shot or a pic from spring, 1963, when filming was done in Instanbul. I think that if we've got to have a shot from that location, a screen shot is better. As I'm reviewing the Inside FRWL documentary for reception and production info (and fact checking), I'll try to take a capture. Hope that will make everyone happy(ier). David Spalding (☎ ✉ ✍) 01:34, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I've done a number of screen captures and can post a gallery to choose from. Before I edit, I'm curious what other editors would prefer ... wide angle of the mosque w/Connery ... Bianchi ... Bianchi in bg w/Man with Glasses hiding...?


[edit] One of JFK's favorite films?

An editor posted uncited trivia that this is Connery's favorite of (his) Bond films (no mention in Inside FRWL, ... perhaps elsewhere?), and added another uncited rumor that it was one of JFK's favorite films as well. The film was released in England 10/10(?)/63, and released publicly in the USA after his assassination. There is uncorroborated trivia at IMDB that states that this was the last film that JFK viewed (private screening in the White House no doubt, two days before his death in Dallas), but no mention of being a favorite. As this article is a GA candidate, if something can't be tied in with a verifiable, reliable source, it may removed. Please cite sources for rumors like this. (BTW, there is discussion in the WikiProject Films about using IMDB as a RS ... consensus, last time I checked, was decidedly against accepting IMDB as a RS, as there is loose editorial control, no visible fact-checking, and no citing of sources, or even contributors (which allows the insidious inclusion of biased information).) -- David Spalding (☎ ✉ ✍) 13:54, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Referencing

There are a few sentences that need to be referenced, but I've got the feeling that they can be ref'd with the inside documentary from the DVD. Here they are:

  • For the opening chess match, Kronsteen wins the game with a reenactment of Boris Spassky's victory over David Bronstein in 1960. (Production Designer Syd Cain built up the "chess pawn" motive in his $150,000 set for this brief sequence.) A boxer at Cambridge, Young choreographed the final battle between Grant and Bond, a scene so violent some on the production worried the unbridled brutality was excessive.
    This paragraph has one more sentence, the only one with an inline citation. All of this needs to be cited—one inline citation at the end of the paragraph is insufficient.
  • After the unexpected loss, production proceeded, experiencing complications from rewriting by Richard Maibaum during filming. Editor Peter Hunt set about editing the film while key elements were still to be filmed, helping to restructure the opening scenes. Hunt and Young conceived of moving the training exercise on a Bond double to preface the main title, a signature feature that has been an enduring hallmark of every Bond film since. The briefing with Blofeld was rewritten, and back projection was used to refilm Lotte Lenya's lines.
    This entire paragraph lacks citations and it needs some.
  • On July 6, 1963, while scouting locations in Argyll, Scotland, for that day's filming of the climactic boat chase, Terence Young's helicopter crashed into the lake with Art Director Michael White and a cameraman aboard. The craft sank into 40-50 feet of water , but all escaped with minor injuries. Despite the calamity, Young was behind the camera for the full days' work.
    Again, a paragraph with only one citation at its end (which I omitted so that only what needs citing is presented here).

Cliff smith 03:36, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I added all three (as per my comments on the To-Do list above), and the information is from Inside From Russia With Love. Do I need to cite after every sentence? I thought that in formal writing, if the source is the same for the entire paragraph, the footnote is placed at the end of the paragraph. Please let me know if there's another which specifies sources must be after each and every sentence. David Spalding (☎ ✉ ✍) 13:44, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Under the Harvard referencing system, a book is cited in the text in parentheses, after the section, sentence, or paragraph for which the book was used as a source...

– WP:Citing sources(emphasis added

Ah. However, Harvard refs aren't in use on this page, though footnote refs are inline citations all the same. But at any rate, I think that the main thing is to eliminate any possibility of any material in the article being challenged if it were not specifically cited. Citations at paragraph ends are cool, but if you've got two sources for one paragraph, for example, you wouldn't know specifically what in the paragraph came from where. Cliff smith 02:39, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA review comments

Hello, sorry for the delay, here are my comments:

  • Flow the first sentence into the second. "X is a Y spy film." - not a great intro line. Whole first paragraph doesn't read like elegant prose.
  • No real need to wikilink Film on its own after Spy film is already linked.
  • "...widely considered..." vs "...many critics..." - use one or the other.
  • "...that each film strives to aim for." - not great English.
  • "...Michael G. Wilson, the current co-producer of the series with his half sister Barbara Broccoli, has stated..." - has stated? or just stated? should half sister be half-sister?
  • WP:DASH for year ranges, e.g. in infobox.
    • Y Done I didn't understand anything on the dash page, so copyedited the IFbox. Vikrant Phadkay 16:19, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
  • SPECTRE is wikilinked the second time it's used, make it the first time for context for the non-expert.
  • Fourth para of Production section way overuses parentheses, it detracts from the prose.
  • Make sure you wikilink Cambridge and wikilink the right one so we don't confuse US readers with their version of the city.
    • Y Done The British one is simply titled Cambridge Vikrant Phadkay 16:29, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Wikilink full dates.
  • Vehicles and gadgets section lacks citation.
    • Y Done I have merged it with the context with the Bond-Grant fight. All other things are CRUFT Vikrant Phadkay 16:11, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Image:KlebbtestsGrant.jpg lacks specific copyright information and fair use rationale for use in this specific article.
  • Not sure why all characters and actors are in bold, is this a film wikiproject manual of style suggestion?

So, I'll put the article on hold until these are attended to. Let me know when you'd like a re-review. Cheers, and apologies once again for the delay. The Rambling Man 16:17, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

According to WP:MOSFILMS#Cast and crew information, actors and characters are supposed to be bold. Cliff smith 02:47, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Excellent, I thought as much. Thanks for clearing that up for me. The Rambling Man 07:49, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re-review

Sorry to be a pain but something has just dawned on me - in the lead you talk about the computer game, but this isn't developed in the article at all. Perhaps a new section is required to discuss the impact of the film on culture or similar. Otherwise it ought not appear in the lead. I think all the other modifications have been carried out well, so I'm sorry to drop this in at the last minute. See what you can do and I'll be happy to promote to GA if you can sort it. The Rambling Man 16:51, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Great, good and dedicated work, well done, I'm promoting now. The Rambling Man 16:29, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Helicopter attack

When Bond and his girl leave the train, they're attacked by a helicopter at some point, are they not? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Racooon (talk • contribs) 09:13, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

sure are! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.228.27.162 (talk) 03:12, 21 February 2008 (UTC)