Talk:Friedrich Engels

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Two minor corrections:



I corrected the title and publication date of Engels' work The Condition of the Working Class in England in 1844.

The book A Contribution to the Critique of Political Economy was actually written by Marx, not Engels. --Jose Ramos 07:40, 30 Dec 2003 (UTC)

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[edit] did he

Did Friedrich Engels own a factory?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 132.241.245.49 (talk • contribs) .

More to the point: Did he own human beings? The description of factory workers as "slaves" strikes me as being a bit over-stated or, at least, confusing the term's metaphorical use with its use to describe actual, state-endorsed ownership of people. Should Engels really be included in the list of slave owners? Geeman 09:52, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

No, of course not. This category should be removed. -- zzuuzz (talk) 10:00, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
"he described the workers in factories that he inherited as slaves", says 132.241.246.111.
Do you have a citation for that? I'm sure he describes many workers as slaves. That does not, in fact, make him a slaveholder. -- zzuuzz (talk) 23:13, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
There very likely is a reference for Engels describing factory workers as slaves. It's not an unusual metaphor for such people--heck, I've used it myself. My point is that it does not matter. This description of "workers as slaves" is different from the common use version of the word "slave" and does not qualify as something should list him amongst people who actually purchased other human beings with money, owned them, was able to transfer ownership of them, and owned the product of their labor. Does anyone have a reference for THAT? If not, his name should be removed from the list of slaveowners and the link removed from the bottom of this article.

Geeman 08:03, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] a wrong location information

Hey, the monument of Marx and Engels can be situated in Berlin (propably in Ex-East(ern)-Berlin), sure, but it is not situated on Alexanderplatz! This is wrong definitly! I know it because I was in Berlin very often. The Alexanderplatz hasn't green places/spaces or trees even.

Here the result of my recherche: The monument of Marx and Engels is nearby the "Palace of the Republik" in the direction to Alexanderplatz (Alexander square / place).
The monument is a part of the Marx-Engels Forum which is situated at the back of the "Palast der Republik". Yes, both are situated in the Eastern part of Berlin as both are monuments of the former GDR. The monument is situated in Berlin Mitte, in the near of the Alexanderplatz but NOT on the Alexanderplatz, definetly not. Here is a picture of the Alexanderplatz: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Berlin_Alexanderplatz_Fernsehturm.JPG cattleyard 2005-10-19

[edit] German Communist

I think that categorizing Friedrich Engels as a 'German Communist' is spurious. Friedrich Engels was a marxist, not a communist. The school of communism is different from the school of marxism. --24.163.65.156 21:48, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I think the amount he wrote about Communism, the Manifesto, etc, you could definitely class him as a Communist. Remember, even Marx wasn't a Marxist. -- zzuuzz (talk) 11:00, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Marx disagreed with what others were doing in his name, no? If not Marxist or Communist for Engels how about Socialist? Empty Hat

[edit] Stirner assertion

This assertion isn't right on a few levels:

"Note that Marx left out of his criticism one person of Bauer's circle: Max Stirner, whose book Der Einzige und sein Eigentum (The Ego and Its Own) had appeared in October 1844 and which Engels met with some approval (letter to Marx, 19 November). Stirner's book ultimately had the effect that Marx — and Engels — abandoned the humanistic materialism of Ludwig Feuerbach and developed Marx's own Historical Materialism, sketched in his Die Deutsche Ideologie (1845/46, published first in 1932)."

The only cited fact is that Stirner's "The Ego and Its Own" was met with some approval by Engels. The November 19, 1844 letter bears this out, but only this. To suggest that Stirner's book ultimately caused a supposed break with "humanistic materialism" and put Marx on the road to "Historical Materialism" is POV and sounds to me like OR. This sort of musing (or mind-reading) regarding Marx's reasons for thinking the way he did doesn't belong in the Engels piece, anyway. I'm taking it out if there are no serious objections.--Dialecticas 12:02, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Frederich?

On 10 December 2006 an anonymous user changed 'Friedrich' to 'Frederich' in several places. This seems entirely wrong to me. Is there any justification for this change? It hasn't been reverted. Colonies Chris 23:55, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

It also seems wrong to me. marxists.org uses Frederick, the BBC uses Friederich, and Gutenburg uses Friedrich (which I think is correct). We should use his original name but should first produce an authoritative source for it (!) -- zzuuzz (talk) 00:11, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Actually, after double-checking a number of sources, I am so convinced it really is Friedrich that I will change it back. -- zzuuzz (talk) 03:29, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Misrepresentation/Error of Fact

Text currently states or implies ('Back in Manchester') that Engels and Marx not only both lived in London, but that the Marxes and Engels shared a common dwelling. This contradicts known facts (e.g. Karl Marx) as well as the given reference (by Lenin) which states no such thing. I have corrected this and added appropriate reference. Also, FWIW, I don't think either Marx or Engels can be called 'Marxists' and IIRC Marx actually made a statement to that effect. Lycurgus 05:09, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Household Artillery

Could someone tell me where I can find some information about the Household Artillery? Did Engels write of his experience in this unit and the people he met? I am trying to research where Julius Kroehl might have served in the Prussian Army prior to arriving in American in 1844? Considering that both Engels and Kroehl were from merchant familiest (albeit, from different parts of the Kingdom), would they have experienced similar frustrations with the system? maclilus (talk) 23:29, 4 February 2008 (UTC)