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Hello World! Hello Wiki members!

Florentino V. Floro is known worldwide as the Philippine Psychic and Healing Judge. He was removed by the Philippine Supreme Court due to alleged consultation with 3 mystic dwarves, LUIS, Armand and Angel.

Florentino floro 05:27, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

--Florentino floro 05:32, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

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I've shortened this article in order to conform to the neutral point of view policy, and to use only information that I could verify from sources. The earlier version had an enormous number of sources, and I have not reviewed all of them, as most of those I did review recapped the same basic set of facts. There may well be enough information in those sources for a longer and more detailed article; the version with the fifty-plus sources is archived through the edit history. -FisherQueen (Talk) 02:13, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

REPLY:

I am so grateful for your kind help in allowing this article on wiki.

Let me state that -

1) When I became world-famous on april 6, 2006, due to the dwarf decision (thousands of blogs, forum threads and world reports)

[1] - google entries for judge florentino floro

some forum members stated that I must be in Wiki; I told them that per google, I am already in wiki, but just short note:

  • [2] - Skysmith/Missing topics about Law and Law Enforcement, Lawyers and legislators, Florentino Floro, Philipino judge who claims that he was advised by three mystic dwarves - (wp gwp g | eb 1911 co en gct sw)

2) therefore, I created the first account of

judgefloro

last year; for the purpose of participating at wiki, but I cannot comprehend the very long and technical processess, since I had little learning of computer; thus, just that account;

3) last month, a PINOYEXCHANGE member, when he saw my video on healing oil on youtube, suggested that an article about me should be on wiki with specifics

4) with my permission, he created this article and my image

but I did edit most of them to fill or add more REPORTS and truths

due to the inadvertent edit blocking by LUCAS of wiki

"lucasbfr" <lucasbfr.wikipedia@dareka.fr>

I created another new account

florentino floro

but the next day

lucas said the editing remains

5) So,

May I please request that I be allowed to

add important reports, documentaries, etc. so as to MORE SPECIFICALLy compete the article on this

AND PLEASE HELP ME by

editing what I would EDIT-add to this article, PLEASE.

Hope that CONSIDERING that your time may be so precious, if you have time,

please check my ADDITIONS, editing , to conform with WIKI rules

but at the same time NOT SACRIFICING the TRUTH and OBJECTIVITY of my case

so that the WIKI and world readers may comprehend

the TRUE STORY and the most important REPORTS

on my case.

With this NOTE,

may I now continue to EDIT this article by adding points etc. with supports/verifiable notes.

Let me stress that I DO NOT ADVERTISE since I had already been world-famous in the reports.

THANKS so much.

--Florentino floro 04:27, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

I have helped your friend by rewriting this article to conform with Wikipedia guidelines. Information in this article needs to be completely neutral in tone, and also verified by reliable sources. For example, a recent edit said, "The Court found that Floro was consulting three mystic dwarves, LUIS, Armand & Angel," but none of the reliable sources agreed that the court had confirmed the existence of these dwarves; rather, the court appeared to be strongly of the opinion that these mystic dwarves do not exist. Given your conflict of interest as the subject of the article, I strongly recommend that you do not continue editing the article yourself, and that you point it out on the talk page (here) if you see things in the article that are not accurate, so other users can correct them. -FisherQueen (Talk) 13:55, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

I have removed your recent edit, both because of your conflict of interest and because the sources you cited were not reliable. One of the sources was a typepad document for downloading, the other was a link that went to an error page. I strongly suggest that you stop editing the article about yourself, and post to the talk page if there are errors in the article. -FisherQueen (Talk) 05:08, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

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REPLY:

Dear FisherQueen,

Thanks for enlightening me on the wiki's rules.

I am sorry to have edited, I thought that my editing like yesterday would be formatted by you ...

So, from now, on, I will instead POST here to SUGGEST you to rectify the facts by adding my suggested links and facts:

1) First, may I ask you to include the ORIGINAL verifiable Decision, since this is the ORIGINAL and all the world news are just short and biased copies of this original:


The decision did not say that dwarfs do not exist, in fact it clearly accepted their existence, but it said that

Judge Floro cannot be an impartial judge if he consults these 3 in making decisions; I quote this:

We are in agreement with the OCA that Judge Floro cannot remain as RTC Judge because of the findings of mental impairment that renders him unfit to perform the functions of his office. We hasten to add, however, that neither the OCA nor this Court is qualified to conclude that Judge Floro is “insane” as, in fact, the psychologists and psychiatrists on his case have never said so.


When Justice Ramirez recommended that Judge Floro be dismissed from the service due to “insanity,” he was apparently using the term in its loose sense. Insanity is a general layman’s term, a catch–all word referring to various mental disorders. Psychosis is perhaps the appropriate medical term[120] as this is the one used by Drs. Vista and Villegas of the Supreme Court Clinic. It is of note that the 1995, 1998 and 2000 psychological evaluations all reported signs and symptoms of psychosis.


Courts exist to promote justice; thus aiding to secure the contentment and happiness of the people.[121] An honorable, competent and independent judiciary exists to administer justice in order to promote the stability of government, and the well-being of the people.[122] Carrying much of the weight in this daunting task of administering justice are our front liners, the judges who preside over courts of law and in whose hands are entrusted the destinies of individuals and institutions. As it has been said, courts will only succeed in their tasks if the judges presiding over them are truly honorable men, competent and independent.[123]


There is no indication that Judge Floro is anything but an honorable man. And, in fact, in our disposition of the 13 charges against him, we have not found him guilty of gross misconduct or acts or corruption. However, the findings of psychosis by the mental health professionals assigned to his case indicate gross deficiency in competence and independence.


Moreover, Judge Floro himself admitted that he believes in “psychic visions,” of foreseeing the future because of his power in “psychic phenomenon.” He believes in “duwendes” and of a covenant with his “dwarf friends Luis, Armand and Angel.” He believes that he can write while on trance and that he had been seen by several people to have been in two places at the same time. He has likened himself to the “angel of death” who can inflict pains on people, especially upon those he perceived as corrupt officials of the RTCs of Malabon. He took to wearing blue robes during court sessions, switching only to black on Fridays. His own witness testified that Judge Floro explained that he wore black from head to foot on Fridays to recharge his psychic powers. Finally, Judge Floro conducted healing sessions in his chambers during his break time. All these things validate the findings of the Supreme Court Clinic about Judge Floro’s uncommon beliefs and that such beliefs have spilled over to action.


Lest we be misconstrued, we do not denigrate such belief system. However, such beliefs, especially since Judge Floro acted on them, are so at odds with the critical and impartial thinking required of a judge under our judicial system.


Psychic phenomena, even assuming such exist, have no place in a judiciary duty bound to apply only positive law and, in its absence, equitable rules and principles in resolving controversies.

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And read this part:

Judge Floro’s separation from the service does not carry with it forfeiture of all or part of his accrued benefits nor disqualification from appointment to any other public office including government-owned or controlled corporations.


As Judge Floro’s separation from the service cannot be considered a penalty, such separation does not carry with it the forfeiture of all or part of his accrued benefits nor disqualification from appointment to any other public office including government-owned or controlled corporations.


In fact, the psychological and psychiatric reports, considered as the bedrock of the finding of mental impairment against Judge Floro, cannot be used to disqualify him from re-entering government service for positions that do not require him to dispense justice. The reports contain statements/findings in Judge Floro’s favor that the Court cannot overlook in all fairness as they deserve equal consideration. They mention Judge Floro’s assets and strengths and capacity for functionality, with minor modification of work environment. Thus:


a. High intellectual assets as a result of “self-discipline and self- organization.”[149]


b. “(I)mpressive academic achievements” with “no drastic change in his personality and level of functioning as a lawyer in private practice.”[150]


c. “(C)haracter traits of suspiciousness, seclusiveness, pre-occupation with paranormal and psychic phenomena … not detrimental to his role as a lawyer.”[151]


d. “Everyday situations can be comprehended and dealt with in moderate proficiency …. His concern for the details that make up a total field represents his attempts at being systematic and cautious.”[152]


e. “(E)quipped with analytical power.”[153]


Consequently, while Judge Floro may be dysfunctional as a judge because of the sensitive nature of said position, he may still be successful in other areas of endeavor.


Putting all of the above in perspective, it could very well be that Judge Floro’s current administrative and medical problems are not totally of his making. He was duly appointed to judgeship and his mental problems, for now, appear to render him unfit with the delicate task of dispensing justice not because of any acts of corruption and debasement on his part but clearly due to a medically disabling condition.


Finally, if Judge Floro’s mental impairment is secondary to genetics[154] and/or adverse environmental factors (and, unfortunately, such essential information is not available), we cannot condemn people for their faulty genes and/or adverse environment – factors they have no control over.


WHEREFORE, premises considered, the Court resolves to:


1) FINE Judge Florentino V. Floro, Jr. in the total amount of FORTY THOUSAND (P40,000.00) PESOS for seven of the 13 charges against him in A.M. No. RTJ-99-1460;

2) RELIEVE Judge Florentino V. Floro, Jr. of his functions as Judge of the Regional Trial Court, Branch 73, Malabon City and consider him SEPARATED from the service due to a medically disabling condition of the mind that renders him unfit to discharge the functions of his office, effective immediately;

3) As a matter of equity, AWARD Judge Florentino V. Floro, Jr. back salaries, allowances and other economic benefits corresponding to three (3) years;

4) DISMISS the charge in A.M. No. RTJ-06-1988 (Luz Arriego v. Judge Florentino V. Floro, Jr.) for LACK OF MERIT; and

5) DISMISS the charge in A.M. No. 99-7-273-RTC (Re: Resolution Dated 11 May 1999 Of Judge Florentino V. Floro, Jr.) for MOOTNESS.

--Florentino floro 05:34, 2 July 2007 (UTC)


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Please KINDLY correct the paragraph, by adding the importance of the religious beliefs.

thanks


--Florentino floro 05:32, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

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Second Letter to FisherQueen

Dear FQ,

Regarding the original Link to Justice Bedsworth's article, I am now submitting the PERMALINK:

  • [3] - Criminal Waste of Space, Judges and dwarfs don't mix

Fine.

(copyrighted blog entry removed) ==

Hoping that you will add this fact

to provide the GROUND of the appeal

thanks

hoping and waiting for your reply and contribution

--Florentino floro 05:46, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

You just added an entire, copyrighted blog entry to the talk page of this article. I have no idea what it was meant to communicate, but blogs are not usually considered reliable sources, and we don't add copyrighted material to Wikipedia, even on talk pages. If there is a factual error in the article, please communicate it in a short, simple paragraph. I cannot tell what you believe is in error. -FisherQueen (Talk) 04:02, 3 July 2007 (UTC)


[edit] July 12, 2007 Court Resolution

I added the Court Resolution which warned Floro of indirect contempt and closed his case.

--Juanatoledo 09:39, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I re-worded the addition to make it a bit more neutral and professional sounding. WLU 17:19, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Philippine Supreme Court gave DUE COURSE to Major Disbarment Cases against top 12 Court of Appeals Justices

After the mysterious fire that razed the Court of Appeals, just recently, the Supreme Court gave DUE COURSE to Major Disbarment Cases filed by Floro against top 12 Court of Appeals Justices.


--Juanatoledo 09:52, 30 July 2007 (UTC)