Talk:First Hull Trains

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[edit] Operator

I am getting conflicting info. Is this now only run by First or is it joint between First and Renaissance Trains? Simply south 17:36, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

  • I think Renaissance still own 20% of it, First simply got the 80% that was owned by GB Railways when it was set up. I'll see if I can find out. Dupont Circle 09:02, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
  • First Group only owns 80% of Hull Trains with Renaissance Trains holding the other 20% Britishrailclass91 (talk) 10:40, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Notability of the damaged 222 and the fire on board a unit

I removed the paragraph relating to these events as I didn't think either were that notable, and User:ACBest has re-instated them. I'm happy to give way on the damaged 222, but the unit that was on fire was back in service two days later - why is the information about the fire notable? If it's not, then it should be deleted. Dupont Circle 21:09, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Y DoneACBest 21:36, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
  1. Are there any good quality images of this accident? As this would enable us to go more indepth about it. Britishrailclass91 (talk) 10:37, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hull 170s

The article says that the ex-Hull Turbostars went to one, but I recall hearing that at least some went to First ScotRail. Which is correct? David Arthur 19:41, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

No-one really knows, DavidArthur it's shrouded in mystery to those outside the railway industry Britishrailclass91 (talk) 10:39, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Hull trains logo.gif

Image:Hull trains logo.gif is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 14:36, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Class 86

The addition, and subsequent removal on a number of occasions indicates there is a dispute about whether or not to include the Class 86 which I understand is being used on Doncaster - London services as an interim measure before the introduction of a more permanent replacement for a damaged Class 222. Please discuss this here in a constructive manner rather than simply continuously reverting any change you don't agree with.

ACBest has commented that the page is "Under attack from IP addresses deleting the 86 from the article repeatedly" and requested the page be semi-protected on this basis however this is unhelpful as this is not vandalism. It would be inappropriate to semi-protect the page, if anything full protection would be justified should reverting continue without discussion.

All editors are reminded of the three revert rule which whilst specifically ruling out reverting the same change more than three times in a 24 hour period, also strongly discourages violation of the spirit of the rule, that is to encourage debate on an issue rather than editing waring. Adambro (talk) 20:40, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

And have I broken the 3RR? No. And just Incase no-one believes that HT have an 86, I'm uploading a picture from when I went on it yesterday soon. ACBestDog and Bone 08:41, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
You would potentially be heading towards violating 3RR by not understanding the difference between vandalism, where reverting continuously is appropriate, and a content dispute where it is not and users should enter into a dialogue about the change.
Anyway, as far as I'm aware there isn't a dispute about whether HT are using and 86, rather as I see it, whether it can be referred to as part of their fleet considering it is an interim measurer rather than anything more permanent. I note that one of the edit summaries of the removal said that HT don't own the 86 and that is true but do they own their 222's either? Most TOCs don't actually own their rolling stock, they lease it so simply owning or not owning stock cannot be used to determine the fleet.
I'm personally split as to whether I consider the 86 as part of their fleet but I'm unsure as to how long they'll be operating it which would play a part in my decision. I am aware of the example of Virgin XC borrowing HSTs from Midland Mainline and whilst HSTs are listed in their fleet on Wikipedia, they are listed as being withdrawn earlier than the time they borrowed the stock from MM so that would suggest that in that case it was determined that the HST stock used as an interim measure didn't merit a mention but this probably is mentioned in the article text itself somewhere. Adambro (talk) 12:09, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
I've protected the page for one week to prevent the ongoing unconstructive edit war. Users are encourage to discuss this rather than continuously revert each others changes. Adambro (talk) 23:23, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Help!

I seem to have made a complete mess of the Hull Trains article while trying to change the tables, please revert this! Britishrailclass91 (talk) 10:53, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Y Done Adambro (talk) 10:58, 26 April 2008 (UTC)