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Contents 1 Invasion of Poland 2 Merging of F-18 Hornet to F/A-18 Hornet 3 Finnish Air Force bases 4 Quality of the article 5 World's First Independent Air Force

[edit] Invasion of Poland

I noticed the following statement in the article: The Finnish command knew from Invasion of Poland that Germany had destroyed most of Poland's aircrafts at the airfields. Therefore Finnish planes were decentralized to many different airfields and hidden to forests. Fake targets were made and many airfields also had sharpnel protection for the planes. As an effect, Soviet air attacks to Finnish airfields were not efficient.

In reality, it was but a myth spread by the Soviet and Nazi propaganda. In fact the Polish Air Force was not destroyed on the airfields, specifically because most of the planes had been relocated to secret airfields just prior to the outbreak of the war. Could someone correct that? //Halibutt 20:12, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I changed the text a little, not mentioning Poland, but the new tactics instead. MoRsE 08:39, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merging of F-18 Hornet to F/A-18 Hornet

There is a discussion going on on merging F-18 Hornet to F/A-18 Hornet. See here: Talk:F/A-18 Hornet -- Petri Krohn 22:19, 23 November 2006 (UTC) It is claimed that the F-18 could be rapidly converted back to F/A-18 in an emergency. I dought this but won't remove the comment. 217.7.209.108 16:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I just love this:

Aircraft Factory was burdened with restoration/repair of Soviet war booty planes, foreign aircraft with many hours of flight time, and the development of indigenous Finnish fighter types.

hahahahahahahhaha

hey you propably ment war bounty?

war booty means: war ass

No it means you are ignorant, see War booty --MoRsE 01:49, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Finnish Air Force bases

I miss information about Finnish Air Force bases in this article. Is it possible to add it? Thank you. Miraceti 10:32, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Reverted vandalism. 21:14 27.6.2007

[edit] Quality of the article

Quality of the article could be better, especially the chapter about Hornet. First of all, the difference of the "variants" is exaggerated. As far as I know, the differences are very minor if there are any. I've never heard of any difference in avionics for instance. Software might be somehow different though. At least there should be source for this information. The sentence describing the special features of Finnish variant is in general vague as if the writer was not sure what he is writing. Change from F/A-18 to F-18 is basically renaming instead of reconfiguring. Finnish aircrafts are even able to operate on carriers as it was cheaper to retain the standard configuration so it seems unlikely that there were any significant modifications to the ground attack capabilities. Also the sources suggest that Hornet's life-time costs were lower than most of the other's so the comment on Hornet's high price is questionable. The paragraph describing the reasons for limiting the aircraft to interceptor duties is also off the point and gives a misleading impression although it is factually quite accurate. However it is not at all uncommon to use word defense instead of war, attack, army etc so there's really no point in making a big deal out of it. Paris peace treaty only banned bombers with internal payload so it had no influence of the decision whatsoever. The list of ground attack weapons also needs references, I've never heard of any complete list of the possible weapons. The picture of Finnish Hornet is not actually of a Finnish Hornet. The insignia is way bigger than in real Finnish Hornets. It is either manipulated or painted on some other Hornet for PR purposes.

Khilon 19:15, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I just found an article in Finnish aviation magazine Siivet (6/1998). In the article the commander of the FAF (at that time) stated that enabling ground attack capability on Hornet only requires acquiring some pylons and launchers. This supports my claim that there are no "missing features", the equipment to use air to ground weapons just has not been acquired. I include quote from the magazine for those who speak Finnish: "Koneissahan on softavalmius eli teknisesti se edellyttäisi vain joidenkin ripustinten, laukaisulaitteiden ja itse aseiden hankintaa ja koulutusta". Khilon 19:19, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] World's First Independent Air Force

I notice that both here and on Air force, it states that the Finnish Air Force is the World's first independent air force. Although this is cited, I have my doubts. I would welcome comments at Talk:Air force. Thanks. Greenshed 22:57, 14 August 2007 (UTC)