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To-do list for Final Fantasy V: edit · history · watch · refresh
  • copy-edit rest of article
  • copyedit/trim/chop up story
  • The problem is that the notability of the fan translation isn't established clearly in the article. The website of the fan translation and another fansite are cited but that's not enough. They should be replaced with actual reliable sources. Seiken Densetsu 3 even cites a written book for its fan translation, so it shouldn't be too difficult.
  • You probably already know this, but the article could do with more references.
  • Story simply just needs to be cut down, especially as in-universe context is provided in the prior sections. It has this X-meets Y and then goes to location z sort of structure. I mean, this line for example: "Galuf, suddenly realizing that he needs to go there without knowing why, accompanies her." I really don't know where to start with that one.
  • "It is often cited as the first RPG to be completely translated by fans.[32]" But you provide only one reference, so how does that confirm "often"?
  • Reception section is short and basic. I mean it's structured into consecutive quotes by different reviewers.
  • Several sources used in the article are not reliable (fansites, blogs, etc.): [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12].
  • some of the sources are missing data (like last accessdate and publisher)
  • contact non-supporters when fixed
  • Maybe I'm missing something, but the first paragraph in "Characters" consists mainly of one giant sentence. I'm no expert on grammar, but can't some of these semi-colons be replaced with full stops?
  • There are some problems with punctuation on image captions (see WP:MOS#Captions, the difference between sentence fragments and full sentences)
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[edit] Proposing merger of Character page

There appears to be no outside universe information, reaction, design information, or anything like that. Since it appears that none is available, and exactly this sort of information is available on the Final Fantasy Wikia, I propose the Characters of Final Fantasy V be merged into this article to bolster it for Featured Article status. Judgesurreal777 20:45, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Faris is Yoshitaka Amano's favourite design with Terra Branford though, I don't remember the source but it's worth mentioning somewhere. Kariteh 21:43, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
I disagree strongly. There is way too much information in the characters article for it all to be mereged comfortably into the main article. Besides which, FFV has generated a spinoff (a ridiculous, laughably bad spinoff, but it exists nonetheless). 69.37.32.196 03:45, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Geez, wonder who this could be...this article is a ton of trivia and in-universe information that belongs at the Final Fantasy wiki. If it does deserve its own article, it will need "out of universe" reactions, and information on the creation of these characters, which, if it doesn't exist, means it doesn't deserve its own article . Judgesurreal777 04:25, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Translation "Inaccuracies"

I removed a quip about Reina being a mistranslation of Lenna, and X-Death of Exdeath. Despite the fact that later rereleases changed to the latter spelling, neither are wrong on their face. Reina and Lenna would be pronounced near identically in Japanese, Exdeath is a simple spelling choice. Exdeath is appearently supposed to be Exodus anyway (according to Tactics Advance and XII, anyway). So they're not mistranslations, they're just different.Xenon Zaleo 08:06, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Exodus is indeed clearly intended to be a reference to Exdeath, but I'm pretty sure their names are not spelt the same way in Japanese. Kinda like Famfrit the Darkening Cloud is a reference to the FFIII Dark Cloud even though they don't have the same name and exact same title. Kariteh 08:22, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
I think Famfrit is sorta different in its description that makes it obvious that it's supposed be a bit different from the Dark Cloud, they call it a container of sorts. Exdeath and Exodus are a little different in that the two could be spelled the same in Japanese. I'm not saying it should be changed mind you, it was just a point to illustrate that Translation is an art, not a science, and the aformentioned "errors" aren't really errors at all. It's questionable whether "The N-Zone" should be referenced in this way either, as that seems to be a conscious change akin to the "Butz" to "Bartz" thing. Xenon Zaleo 15:27, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Exdeath and Exodus are not spelt the same way in the Japanese games (whereas "Butz" and Bartz are), that was my only point. Kariteh 17:10, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] To-do List

I was thinking of helping to get this article to featured status by doing some of the things on the to-do list, but I'm pretty new to all this and not sure what some of them mean (I know the "Attain FA Status"). So if someone could tell me what they mean, hopefully I'll be able to help. Thanks. Arrowny 22:56, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

"Add English version(s) script references" means we need to find the script of the dialogue of the version of the game that was translated into english, like Final Fantasy V advance, and use the text as references and cite the plot, setting and character sections.
"Expand development as references permit" means find information about how the game was developed and help expand the section with those details. We aren't sure how many there will be, so that's why its "as references permit".
"Copyedit whole article extensively" means copyedit, or improve the writing of the article, which is a big aspect of Featured Article candidacy.

Judgesurreal777 02:14, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RPGe nominated for deletion

the people who first translated final fantasy v are being nominated for deletion. this is insane. voice your opinion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/RPGe 209.209.214.5 05:54, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Peer Review Suggestions

The following is a suggestions from a peer review:

The following suggestions were generated by a semi-automatic javascript program, and might not be applicable for the article in question.

You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. Thanks, DrKiernan 14:52, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Think we can do that as well as the todo list for FA status? Thanks. Greg Jones II 15:44, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I certainly hope so. These problems in the suggestions can easily be solved, but some of the objectives will take a bit more time because of the digging involved. Most of those were posted around this time last year, and nothing's happened since then. ~ Hibana 17:44, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Not sure if I agree with the "links in the plot story section" suggestion; it would encourage overlinking. The rest looks good as manual of style reminders. — Deckiller 20:35, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FAC?

It just needs some touching up; it'll probably be ready for FAC by the end of the week. Hibana should have the honors of nominating the article for FAC. — Deckiller 12:41, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

The only major things I see are:

  • Prose strengthening
  • Story section trim and perhaps a few more script cites
  • Reviews box for reception and criticism (and possibly an expansion of that section).

It's getting close, but am I talking to a wall? — Deckiller 16:23, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Probably needs some editors with free time to respond to that, Decky boy. — Blue。 16:29, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
As I said, I'll do this ASAP. Axem Titanium 16:34, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Alright. Those are the only issues I see, so we're well on the way. I keep wanting to work on this article too, but something always comes up. — Deckiller 16:41, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
About the Reviews box, which I'll be doing if you don't mind, do you want the score for both the old-school or the FFVAdvance? — Blue。 17:26, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
I think both scores would be good, especially if they are from the same source/website. — Deckiller 17:27, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Please do not call me "Decky boy". — Deckiller 16:36, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Spur of the moment. So, let's get back to business then. — Blue。 17:03, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

The chart looks nice. Perhaps we can segregate the section into the original/PSX versions and the GBA version? — Deckiller 20:06, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

One last minute question; did Famitsu ever review the original game or any of the re releases? That would be a great mention. Judgesurreal777 04:48, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
There's FFV Advance, at least.[13] Kariteh 09:30, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
SFC and PS1 versions were rated too according to this source that we can't use unfortunately: [14] Kariteh 09:37, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FFCompendium

Is this a reliable source? Kariteh 20:42, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not certain, but I noticed it was used once in Final Fantasy IV. If you doubt it, remove it along with the statement it substantiates. ~ Hibana 21:14, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

looking for the last final fantasy for computer that does not require on-line play —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.49.190.64 (talk) 22:39, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] FFV remake for the Nintendo DS

Are there plans for one? FFIV DS was released one month ago in Japan. Hellcat fighter (talk) 09:14, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Probably not, as they worked the original game quite a bit for FF V Advance.Cyrus Beautor (talk) 01:09, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Low Level game play

There is a way to finish the game in extremely low level (specifically lv 2, 2, 2, 3 or 2, 1, 1, 4) by a special combination of abilities and items, since boss characters grant no EXP and only a few enemies must be fought. While this could be sourced from 2 Chinese sites,(Fantastical Finality and [www.ffsky.com FFsky]) and is totally verifiable(anyone can try it for themselves by following the procedures). Should this be added into the article? Similar Game play could be played in FF VI, FF VIII and FF X-2 also. (In which the Ultimania guide of VIII and X-2 included the procedures of doing so) FF X Japanese version could be finished without using the sphere grid. But I guess I limit my question on FF V for now since it is the first game that could do so due to the job system. MythSearchertalk 17:46, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Low-level games fall under game guide-like content and the fact that a low-level game is possible in this game is not particularly notable since nearly every RPG has a similar possibility. Axem Titanium (talk) 20:48, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
If we throw in a low-level trick for this game, then every game will start including both real tips and obvious hoaxes. It will not stop without an admin locking the page down.Cyrus Beautor (talk) 01:12, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
It is not a game guide as long as no method is given here. I propose something like this: Due to the game features bosses with no EXP, it is possible to finish the game with level 2 and 3 characters with a special method.[ref1][ref2] Other RPGs do not have this possibility as long as the bosses(must-fight-enemies) have EXP and the characters will simply die against high level enemies without abilities and items to stop their attack and reasonable way to damage the enemies. For example, in FFV, the knight got an ability to block all physical attacks and an ability to protect seriously damaged allies, combination provide an unbreakable shield against physical attack of all enemies. And the last boss could simply be killed by a summon of Odin by the magical item oil lamp. While in most other games, you simply get killed by a simple attack when facing high level enemies if you are way lower in level.
The concern of hoaxes is not a wikipedia concern, WP:AGF and also, citations are needed when such things appear. MythSearchertalk 06:58, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't think it's appropriate for an encyclopedia. Axem Titanium (talk) 01:16, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
I think it is notable due to it being the first FF with bosses having no EXP and newer ones followed the system. MythSearchertalk 08:32, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
I still don't think it contributes anything particularly meaningful to understanding of the game. Axem Titanium (talk) 13:58, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
It is a feature of the game that was kept as a common element of the series. MythSearchertalk 15:40, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Source? Axem Titanium (talk) 01:28, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Provided in above in the first paragraph: Fantastical Finality and FFsky.

[edit] Why revert?

Noticed my (somewhat minor) corrections to the Story section have been reverted. Why? The information was innacurate; I know this game quite literally like the back of my hand. Played it through dozens of times. Check your facts.

This because I used a College IP?

Probably because we need to keep such details to a minimum and avoid any redundancies, not because of our college IP. — Blue。 13:23, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Using my actual login this time, sorry for being lazy about that before.

Okay, I understand what you're saying about keeping things concise. Here though, it is at the expense of the accuracy of the information. Boko does NOT force Bartz to return for Lenna and Galuf; they continue in the direction they were originally going through an earthquake. Lenna and Galuf just happened to be there. They do NOT escape from Guido's Island before Exdeath sinks it; they are lifted out of the water by the Wind Drake. And they are dispatched to protect, not dispel the seals on the Crystals in the Master Tree; sadly they were attacked by the seals and forced to defend themselves, after which Exdeath turned up and took control of the Crystals. These facts are not reflected; indeed contrary impressions are given. This should be rectified, which is what I was about. I'm not going to do this again at risk of starting an edit war; we should try for consensus on this - I was under the impression Wikipedia was supposed to be accurate as a cornerstone policy? EDIT: Had another look, it seems I broke the page by mistake. I'll have a look at the situation. --Targ Collective (talk) 14:15, 12 March 2008 (UTC)