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Hi! I thought only we Germans call the loop jump a "Rittberger",but here to 100%. In Germany the name "loop" is not used at all. Are there other countries in Europe calling the "loop" a "Rittberger"??? I like the style of the article. Very well done! Uwe Langer 20:50, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Rename
I suggest renaming this page to Figure skating jumps. 1) There is more than one jump, and, 2) the plural fits in better with the other skating articles. Awartha 23:05, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Reverse Jumps
If Johnny Weir (a clockwise skater)did a clockwise axel, kept his landing edge, and did a counter-clockwise lutz, is that a jump combo?TimHowardII 10:13, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Merging Quad (figure skating) into this article
Quad (figure skating) is intersting and I think it would be a good idea to have a brief history of the evolution of the quad. (which currently exists in highlight form in the toe loop and salchow articles). However, that page is mostly uncited and according to the page author on the talk page, it's taken from an uncited website. I also don't think a list of who attempted the quad in competition and why it wasn't counted is at all encyclopedic or deserves its own page. I think picking out the major events: Browning doing the first quad, Stojko the first quad combination, Goebel the first quad sal, Ando the first ladies' quad, and then Vise & Trent doing the first throw quad (with possible on Shen & Zhao's and Zhang & Zhang's attemps, because they were noteworthy), is about all that's necessary. Kolindigo (talk) 21:48, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
- I agree. Listing practice and unsuccessful attempts is problematical because of the lack of verifiable sources, and because such lists become dumping grounds for excessive trivia. But, how about a section on jump firsts generally, instead of just quad-related ones? Dr.frog (talk) 22:29, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
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- I have been sourcing a number of these entries, and I expect to find sources for most if not all of them. I agree that if the quad article is destined for merging, then only the "firsts" should probably be listed (altho you'll still have a problem with deciding what a first is: is Goebel's 98 quad a first, when it's a US first ?, what about first quad combinations?).
- If it does remain its own page however, I think it is important to lists early attemps, because they were part of the excitement at the time, and are thus part of the history of the sport, but I agree that unsuccesful attemps that occured after the jump had been performed could be removed without loss of relevant information.
- As for the information being taken from an old website, I mentionned that the info was available on that page years ago, but mostly (almost completely) unsourced. I have used it as a starting point for this article and been slowly digging out references that are as credible as possible (going as far as paying for access to a few very old NYT articles ;-) ), and at the same time been correcting mistakes and adding missing entries. My plan was to keep doing that until the list is both credible and as complete as I can make it.
- With regard to lack of verifiable sources, I also agree that unverifiable entries should be removed, or that page could become a repository of unverified claims. That's also why I am trying hard to find sources for as much of these entries as I can, before I go about removing the rest.
- Not to hammer the point too much, but a complete history of the quad can't be found anywhere anymore... It was very exciting times and I feel like it would really be a loss to just discard it to only keep what everybody already knows and let the rest be lost, when we still have a shot at recovering it.
- I'll bow down to your decision tho. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dolitos (talk • contribs) 00:55, 4 January 2008
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- I think adding a section on jump rotation firsts would be a good idea. As for Goebel's quad in 1998, it was the first quad salchow. The fact that it was a US first is only secondary. I'm tempted to say include the first quad combo, but not the first of every type of quad combo (i.e. the first time a quad was done in combination, not the first time a quad was done in combination with a specific double, and then the first time it was done in combination with a specific triple, etc) although that may be venturing beyond the scope of this article and would better belong in that person's bio article. But we should definitely do both the men's firsts and the ladies' firsts. I have a couple good sources for the first quads, some of the triples, and Dick Button's double axel, but that's about it. Kolindigo (talk) 16:50, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
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- Well, Goebel's was a generic example of the problem in determining what a first is, albeit badly chosen. I suppose Weiss' 99 would have been better, though you do answer my question further on.
- I guess I'll just stop right there with the work I've been doing, and let you guys "merge" whatever you want to. Cheers.
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[edit] Pair Jumps
I noticed that the article makes no reference to twists for pair jumps, is that on purpose ? I can find no reference at all to this pair-specific jump in Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dolitos (talk • contribs) 02:43, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
- See figure skating lifts#Twist lifts for (albeit not a lot of) info on twist lifts. Kolindigo (talk) 16:52, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
