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Self-nominator JonCatalan (talk) 17:20, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Removed! JonCatalan (talk) 18:02, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

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Gary King (talk) 19:01, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Gary King (talk) 18:19, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I grouped all references with the same title (if an online news article) or the same page number (if published on paper). I also expanded the dates, and replaced dashes with en dashes. JonCatalan (talk) 18:54, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
It specifies where I got the image from. I don't know who the copyright holder is. JonCatalan (talk) 18:54, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Ugh - I'm afraid if this can't be found the image will have to go. Can it be replaced? Kelly hi! 19:17, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
No, the image is irreplaceable; I was surprised that someone found it, in the first place! JonCatalan (talk) 19:29, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
I hate situations like this...if the image doesn't specify the copyright holder, it doesn't satisfy WP:NFCC#10a. I certainly agree that the image can't be replaced with a free one since the tank was not actually built. (I presume the mockup was destroyed as well?) Does an image with a verifiable copyright source exist in any of the dead-tree sources - Jane's, perhaps? Kelly hi! 19:53, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Although I don't have it with me, I have Janes' Tank Recognition Guide and it doesn't mention the Lince. The Lince is pretty unknown, even inside Spain - not that many people interested in the subject. I'd like to know where that Czech site even got its information from (even though I can't understand it) - unfortunately, his email doesn't work. I am asking on tank-net, but that's not guaranteed to get any hits. I would contact the actual Spanish Ministry of Defense to see if this an archival photograph, but they are not likely to respond (I have tried in the past, concerning other issues). JonCatalan (talk) 20:06, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Comments

  • Couldn't "bidding for the Lince" be changed to just "bidding"?
  • Non-breaking space between unit and measurement.
  • Link decades in the lead - they do provide context.
  • "To achieve this, the Lince would use Rheinmetall's 120 mm L/44 tank-gun and German composite armor from the Leopard 2A4." - why the future tense?
  • "The Spanish government decided to upgrade its AMX-30Es in the late 1980s, which distracted attention from the program. It was eventually cancelled in 1990 when Spain adopted a large number of North American M60 Patton tanks retired from Europe in accordance with the Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe. " - it's unclear what the pronoun "it" is referring to. Consider rephrasing.

Nousernamesleftcopper, not wood 19:51, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks.
  1. Changed.
  2. Any measurement in particular? The only one I could find was in the infobox.
  3. Done!
  4. Changed to past tense.
  5. Changed 'it' to The Lince.
JonCatalan (talk) 20:06, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Comments

  • Is the Maquinas de Guerra ref Spanish language? Same for Candil Antonio Carros de Combate?
  • Current ref 23 is lacking a publisher (La Familia de tanques Patton) and should specifiy the language is Spanish. (I see it's listed at the bottom as Susorail ... is that the author or publisher? Probably should be listed in the footnote as Susorail...)
I wasn't able to evaluate the Spanish language sources. Otherwise sources look good, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 03:04, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Nothing here indicates reliability, a self-published site with collaborator input, no indication of fact-checking or oversight: http://www.militar.org.ua/militar/foro-militar-colaborar.html I can't find any indication that militar.org.ua would be a reliable source for any purpose. It should be replaced, particularly since it's being used to source hard data and gov't statements.
El País is fine, but it's a newspaper, hence should be italicized; it might also be linked.
I can't tell what this is, book? author? Is Planeta-Agostini a book publisher, magazine, what? (1984) Maquinas de Guerra: Carros de Combate Modernos. Planeta-Agostini. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:24, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Yes, those references are in Spanish, but every reference uses the template relevant to what type of source it is. There is nowhere to put 'Spanish' in the book template, unfortunately. This is the same for italicizing El País; it's simply put into the template under 'publisher', but the template does not italicize it. The source La Familia de tanques Patton has been exchanged for an article published in Military Technology. Maquinas de Guerra: Carros de Combate Modernos is an authorless book; it's similar to an encyclopedia. It was a series of 'books' which were published in the mid-80s on armor of the world (similar, but more in depth, to Janes' Tank Recognition). I changed the template to encyclopedia. JonCatalan (talk) 10:12, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
I added the same icon which was added to the Verdeja article to denote that the source is Spanish. JonCatalan (talk) 15:22, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Some misunderstanding here (I speak Spanish, by the way); italics is accomplished on cite news by using the "work" parameter in place of the "publisher" parameter (el pais can be in italics by switching publisher to work), es icon can be added outside the cite template but inside the ref tags, and what about removing militar.org, which doesn't appear reliable for any purpose? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:54, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Jon, gimme a yell if you need help working out the citation templates. giggy (:O) 00:35, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Comments

  • Looking even better after the peer review, and glad to see the image issue was somewhat resolved!
  • "The Lince program was meant to complement Spain's fleet of AMX-30Es, like the one above." - perhaps "like the one pictured"... I'm not keen on the "above" since some browsers could display captions anywhere but below the image...
  • There's an edit link midway through the Background section... WP:BUNCHED?
  • "the Spanish Army had 299 AMX-30s, designated as AMX-30Es. 280 out of 299..." - "280 of these" would probably work better
  • "However, this time they added the lucrative term of joint export." - would sound better without the however

giggy (:O) 13:11, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Everything done! JonCatalan (talk) 13:27, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Support. giggy (:O) 00:35, 14 June 2008 (UTC)