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[edit] Number On List

Just to classify the difference between the number on list and the actual placing number, the number on list is the number of fugitives added to the list, of course, plus one for the actual criminal.

The placing number is the ranking of the criminal.

Please let me know if I am incorrect, or if you have further questions.

Thanks! --Jomskylark (talk) 18:09, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New Design of List

I worked on this:

Image:FBITenheader.gif
Wanted Image Name Date Added Number on List
1 Image:Donaldwebb.jpg Donald Eugene Webb May 4, 1981 #375
Donald Eugene Webb is wanted in connection with the murder on December 4, 1980, of the police chief in Saxonburg, Pennsylvania who was shot twice at close range after being brutally beaten about the head and face with a blunt instrument. On the list since 1981, no person has been on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted list longer in its history.

Webb's FBI Top 10 Most Wanted Fugitive Alert

Just wanted to get some input before I changed everything on this page and subsequent pages. The only bad thing it does not create a "TOC" listing. Any suggestions on that? --Shane (T - C - E) 18:45, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

It looks good. Go with it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.83.23.147 (talk • contribs)

Looks great, and I think sacrificing the TOC is acceptable. - SimonP 01:05, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
All done. :-) Shane (talk/contrib) 05:20, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
What is "number on list"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sylvain1972 (talk • contribs) 16:25, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Every fugitive on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted List has a number, which shows how many fugitives have been on the list. I believe over 500, to this day, have been on the list. --PAK Man Talk 17:28, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Infamous

I removed this data and placed it in a text file. If anyone thinks it should be in Wikipedia, I created links under See Also for where they would go. Anyway... that's about it for the notice. Shane (talk/contrib) 05:21, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Just as historic comment, I had originally added that section, because some editors were adding them, as top Ten Fugitives, in error. I didn't want to just delete. Usually the error was the result of media mis-information, which is often persistent. Major media publication, not accuracy, is the Wikipedia standard for inclusion. The FBI has Most Wanted fugitives, who are not top Tenners, and the media gets this wrong, often. So I also thought the group was interesting, while also providing an answer to the inevitable question, "Well, what about so and so, who I read or heard was one?" Also, the "Infamous, but not top Ten" group list was handy, for the ones like Patty Hearst, who was simply too notoriously well-known to be put on the list, a criteria which seems to have not been applied consistently (bin Laden, e.g.) And also, it was useful to highlight assassins and serial killers, some are, some are not top Tenners (Sirhan Sirhan, vs. James Earl Ray, and Charles Manson, vs. Ted Bundy). So I still think the two groups are useful, and their absence will lead to questions, and they don't really take up that much space, with tiny thumbnails. Plus, I thought they were a fun little tidbit to lighten up the article a bit, as fugitive trivia. Steven Russell 06:21, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Maybe two articles then... though I was earlier trying to create a "lead" and I went blank. :) -- Shane (talk/contrib) 06:59, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Check out the sub-pages. The links are at the top of this page. -- Shane (talk/contrib) 03:23, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Peer Review/GA/FL

I submited it for Peer Review to make sure there is nothing extermely wrong. Then it will just move up the process so it can get all the awards. :) -- Shane (talk/contrib) 06:02, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Submited to WP:GA. -- Shane (talk/contrib) 01:19, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
WP:GA Passed; Submited to WP:FL -- Shane (talk/contrib) 21:39, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
WP:FL Passed; Congrats to all editors! -- Shane (talk/contrib) 21:56, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Problems

Image:FBITenheader_Custom.gif is well done, but unnecessary. If a stunning header is needed, CSS allows it to be done in plain text: in a lot fewer bytes, and flexibly. ¶ As I view the article in Mozilla, the FBI template on the right overlaps what's to its left. This is rather disastrous. -- Hoary 02:13, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Trying to keep some elements. I am never have used IE since... a long time, but in my Mozilla FireFox, I don't see the overlaping. Unless it's from a screen resolution problem. -- Shane (talk/contrib) 02:59, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
This is Mozilla 1.7.8, based on the same Gecko as your browser, I believe. Meanwhile, here's a starter as a text-only banner for you:

FBI TEN MOST
WANTED FUGITIVES

A lot less than 6kB, and it's flexible. Tamper and tweak to taste. -- Hoary 07:52, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Added to list.. -- Shane (talk/contrib) 16:11, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Good: now there is no overlap as I view the page. -- Hoary 01:38, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Warning, blue header is now significantly different from the actual FBI logo banner, might be a conflict, or confusion at least, if somebody looks too closely, or makes it a legal issue, see FBI warning about alteration of wanted posters, minor nitpick, but I don't want to end up in the slam over it, you know, along with all these listed bad guys, ha ha. Steven Russell 06:12, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes and No.Could add a "Warning" just to make sure. The law says in the same format as the page, not works from it. Bugs5382 07:20, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Something is seriously wrong, one of the criminals is listed as raping "young female chickenz". I can't seem to edit this out directly, it's something more sinister.

This is an encylopaedia, not a design contest. ed g2s • talk 12:47, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Glen Stuart Godwin

Needs some fact checking, the timeline does not seem right, this summary is a lot shorter than on the 1990s page, and I have not looked at the full article, and don't have time to fact check it. I think the Folsom fact is from a mug shot. Would hate to have it be an egregious embarrassing error.Steven Russell 06:12, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Okay, it must be late for me tonight, I now see he escaped from Folsom prison June 30, 1987 through a storm drain. The Mexico escape followed in 1991, but he is wanted in U.S. for the earlier escape. Timeline and location is awkward, so a bit of cleanup might help, or not. Steven Russell 06:19, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Query

The article states:

“ As of 6 May 2006, 482 fugitives have been listed (seven of them women), and 452 captured or located, 148 (33%) of them due to public assistance. That produces a success rate of 94%. ”

My question is -- apart from the ten people still on the list, who are the other twenty, and what happened to them if they weren't caught? Did those twenty people simply die before being caught, or what? —Nightstallion (?) 21:51, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

If they were removed it still counts towards the total count. Some did die other are removed because they no longer fit the critera. So the 6% have never been caught while they were on the list, removed, and/or died before being caught. -- Shane (talk/contrib) 21:57, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Updates

The article never states how often is the list updated. Yearly? Monthly? Every 10 years? Or are updates not related to time? Thanks. Shinhan 20:01, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

The list is updated whenever one of the persons is captured (or otherwise removed from the list), and there is an empty slot. --Aude (talk contribs) 20:32, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The tenth most wanted man is....

Forgive me If I'm wrong, but if the tenth most wanted man has been captured, isn't there some other "tenth most wanted man"? I mean.... what are you saying? Was that guy the last most wanted by the FBI? Is FBI hunting only 9 persons on the face of this planet? PureRumble 18:32, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

My misstake... these are the ten most wanted on the fbi-list. I thought the list wasn't up to date. PureRumble 18:32, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
about that... the man Parsons, is he still on there because he hasn't stood trial yet? or is there some other reason i don't know about? cheers W guice 19:22, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Well take a look at the "real" most-wanted list and you'll see him there too, only his picture says "captured" at the bottom (I think). PureRumble 22:36, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
yeh, i know, i wasn't questioning you, i was asking why it is that he's still on the official list. is it because he hasn't been tried? W guice 22:47, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Takes a few weeks for all the FBI field offices to submit and HQ to pick a new fugitive. Shane (talk/contrib) 04:16, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
lazy buggers at the FBI, aren't they? W guice 01:16, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
I been following the press releases, a lot of new Special Agent's in Charge are being replaced. Gotta be term limited or age so I could understand why there is so much lag time. Shane (talk/contrib) 01:49, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I Fixed some errors in the list.

The article is pretty accurate now. --Straplebury22 02:58, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Number Eleven

I'm not making that up. John E. Douglas, an FBI agent himself and a genius profiler, talks about it in Anatomy of Motive. There's your source. Thanos6 17:23, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't think so. I never heard of it an I am in FBI. Plus, you removed the Usama bin Laden cite causing some problems. Shane (talk/contrib) 20:20, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
I did nothing with bin Laden. It was like that when I found the page. And if you want me to give you an exact quote and page number from the book, I will. Thanos6 01:26, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
That be great. Be something useful for later. Don't matter the cite. It was to who ever else read the talk page. :-) Shane (talk/contrib) 06:06, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] bulger

try gallup nm, after blue ash ohio..yeah i met him , he owes me money after the gas...he's in a big 40 footer —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.190.185.81 (talk) 10:10, 8 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] FBI fugitive subcategory tree

I started to do some subcategory reorganization work on the FBI fugitive tree, because it needs some cleanup work in the categories. So I edited the categories here accordingly. I plan to continue with this effort, but I have not done vandalism patrol lately, and it's a lot of pages to recategorize, so I might get a bit sidetracked, as I go.Steven Russell 05:53, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Don Webb

  • what's his official status now he's been removed from the list? it says this is the first time this has happened so there can't really be a precedent... has he officially 'got away with it'? W guice 09:14, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

As far as I've heard he is presumed dead. DesertEagle73 —Preceding unsigned comment added by DesertEagle73 (talk • contribs) 20:39, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] osama

someone keeps changing the date that osama bin laden was added i know it was sometime in 1998

Nope. His wanted poster says June 1999. --PAK Man Talk 01:41, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why is Goldberg on the list?

If "Individuals are removed from this list upon capture or death, and replaced by a new entry selected by the FBI. ", why is Goldberg on the list?Duncan.france 13:17, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

  • i wondered this before... apparently dudes are just really slack at the FBI. tomasz. 14:18, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
It takes them a couple of months to add another fugitive. I think they have to have meetings to determine which of their fugitives deserve Top Ten statues. I imagine that process takes a long time. --PAK Man Talk 01:40, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reward for Bin Laden

Bin Laden's bounty was doubled mid July 2007 to $50M. 24.98.21.116 03:07, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

But his wanted poster still hasn't been updated to reflect this. It needs to be approved by the president. It's still unofficial, so until it is official, his bounty should remain at $25 million. --PAK Man Talk 04:17, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Though the poster has not been updated, the senate has voted 87-1 to double the bounty to $50 Million. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6898075.stm --The_spacemonkey —Preceding unsigned comment added by The spacemonkey (talk • contribs) 14:28, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Lorne Herasy

What was voted on was an amendment to a proposed bill in the senate. That's all. Its not official in anyway, no matter how poor reporting with little knowledge of the legislative process might make it seem. ccwaters 17:20, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures of fugitives

Why the pictures of fugitives have been deleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.141.76.47 (talk) 13:03, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

fair use pedantry, i assume. tomasz. 13:51, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Usama vs. Osama

Although the spelling "Osama" is clearly more common in English mass media, but the FBI uses (in particular uses in their "Ten Most Wanted Fugitives" list) the name "Usama," so we should probably spell it thus in this article.Eebster the Great (talk) 02:33, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

i dunno, i mean, just because they're the FBI, doesn't give them a licence to spell things how they like. If Microsoft decided computer was spelled "computor" i don't think we'd run with that either. tomasz. 09:08, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] America's Most Wanted

Why the shameless plugging of this program? For instance, "John Walsh, the host of America's Most Wanted, helped announce Schillaci's addition to the FBI Top Ten List." It just seems a bit pointless.

I haven't edited anything, but if someone can't come up with a good reason some re-wording should/shall take place, and this sentence shall be removed...

Farpov (talk) 18:15, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Introduction

The introduction to this article jumps right in to the history of the list rather than beginning with an explanation of what the list is. 71.11.215.216 (talk) 22:22, 19 April 2008 (UTC) Lorne Hearsey Why does the article state he is the number 1 most wanted when as of 5/13/08 he is not on the list? http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/fugitives.htm

[edit] Is it possible for pictures to be added?

I'm guessing they were removed for fair use reasons. Does anybody know for sure? --Npnunda (talk) 03:16, 8 June 2008 (UTC)