User talk:Fairfieldfencer

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 Doktor  Wilhelm  13:05, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

This isn't an article's talk page so if you just want to chat feel free to do so.Fairfieldfencer FFF 10:05, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Image

Can somebody give me a hand uploading an image for wikipedia as I don't know how to?Fairfieldfencer (talk) 11:52, 5 January 2008 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer

if you've not already managed, try pasting {{Helpme}} at the top of this section, and somebody should help!  Doktor  Wilhelm  16:57, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Thankyou very much.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 17:00, 31 January 2008 (UTC)Fairfielfdfencer

[edit] Sonic articles

I will be reverting those articles and setting up a merge discussion for the rest non-notable characters. Please leave the articles as they are until the discussion is over. If the discussion does not end up working, the articles can go back to the way that they were. TTN (talk) 16:28, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Can I ask you how you know those one timers won't be making any comebacks, take Black Doom for instance he, (having similar abilities to Shadow) could have survived that fall.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 11:16, 11 January 2008 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer

And what if he doesn't? Most of the characters are one-shot anyway. And what's your problem callin' us vandals, kid? We're followin' the freakin' rules. Stop annoyin' us. -- ZeroGiga (Contact) 10:56, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

"Vandal" with reference to the Oxford English Dictionary is someone who wantonly damages or destroys, as TTN was doing with other peoples entries. I may be only 12 but I would not deface others work just for the sake of it.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 16:33, 22 January 2008 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer

Come on, should you really blame him. So... yeah, he may be just gaming the system, but if you want to see the root of our "vandalism," read the rules or talk to the admins about what the rules are doing to the site and how "vandals" have the upper hand. Good luck. -- ZeroGiga (Contact) 3:02, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Centralized TV Episode Discussion

Over the past months, TV episodes have been reverted by (to name a couple) TTN, Eusebeus and others. No centralized discussion has taken place, so I'm asking everyone who has been involved in this issue to voice their opinions here in this centralized spot, be they pro or anti. Discussion is here [1]. --Maniwar (talk) 21:16, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I would love to help you but I only get involved with certain articles, (or in other words I only get involved in articles where I know what I'm talking about). Fairfieldfencer (talk) 12:46, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] About the Cosmo Article...

If it's alright with you, I know a site where ALL the info is still kept (At least, I think so). If you want, I could lead you to that site right now so you could remake it. Oh, and another thing, TTN's talking on the Video Game discussions about merging Sonic articles. You might wanna check that out before its too late. ZeroGiga (Contact) 18:06, 08 Febuary 2008 (UTC)

Alright: http://www.answers.com/topic/cosmo-sonic-the-hedgehog. Everything's intact at this address. Hope I can help, and no offense for deleting the original. Just make sure you follow the rules next time, okay? ZeroGiga (Contact) 18:08, 08 Febuary 2008 (UTC)

Thankyou very much this will be a great help to us.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 09:47, 9 February 2008 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer

(in case you don't see the reply on the discussion page) Thank you, I have listed it as: Start Class - No Refernces, needs work! Low Importance - Original character from an Animated series based on Sonic Adventure, no basis withing acutal Saga series (ie: not based on a chracter created by Sega or Featured in anything else Sega related)! You are always welcome to join The Sega Project, and even if you do not wish to join you may add the {{segaproject}} tag to the top of any talkpages of the articles you believe are within our scope!  Doktor  Wilhelm  13:05, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks I'll do that.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 13:10, 22 February 2008 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer

[edit] The Sega Project Invitation

Hello, Fairfieldfencer. You've brought some good discussion to the Sega Project, and I was wondering if you were interested in joining our little project. Anyone can join, but I'm extending this invitation to you personally. If you want to join, just sign your name on the project's members page. You don't even need to have a full-time commitment to the project to join. Anyway, I hope you consider joining; attitudes like yours are what help us save articles!Redphoenix526 (talk) 19:47, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


The Sega Project Invitation

Dear Fairfieldfencer, We Think You Would Make A Great Member Of The Sega Project!!!. Redphoenix526 (talk) 19:47, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you I accept your generous invitation.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 20:30, 22 February 2008 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer

[edit] E-123 Omega

I've been reading over the article again, and the more I look, the more I question what I am able to do for the article beyond what I put in my assessment. The main problem is the sourcing and that some sections just seem to scream "original research". Now, I know that all of it is true, having played the games myself up to Sonic Heroes, but the sourcing is the main error. I'll keep looking for them, but if you find them, I'll help you set up the references. Sorry, but don't expect an edit from me unless I can turn something up. I'd rather cite the content than remove it, so I won't be stripping the article down, either. Redphoenix526 (Talk) 18:47, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Redphoenix, I don't think I'll be much help so I'm going to pull out. But I'll keep an eye out for vandalism and forget about the Omega article I can handle that myself, and thanks for the advice it'll come in really handy.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 17:52, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Hey, I did find something you could use. You can cite lines in the games themselves. Use bold text to say who says it (followed by a colon), regular text for the line, and italic text to cite the specific game. Make sure you put the year the game was released next to it. Just sandwich all of these between <ref></ref> tags, and you can use that for some things that are hard to cite like the "I couldn't even beat Gamma or Beta" line. Also, don't worry about the list, I'm pretty much the only one who looks after it anyway. I appealed to the Video Games project for help, to no responses. At least the list is coming along; slow, but it's working. If you see a game and you just happen to know it's not on my franchise list but should be, can you let me know? That's how you can be helpful to me. Thanks, and don't worry about having to pull out. Redphoenix526 (Talk) 02:09, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

I've used that piece of advice for the article along with some new info I added.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 11:08, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Rouge&TopazX.jpg

Thanks for uploading or contributing to Image:Rouge&TopazX.jpg. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is not a suitable explanation or rationale as to why each specific use in Wikipedia constitutes fair use. Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free media lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Polly (Parrot) 21:38, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry about this, Fairfieldfencer, I've taken care of the fair use rationale for you. Redphoenix526 (Talk) 02:31, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 16:36, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] I could use your help.

Hey FFF. I don't know if you knew this or not, but we've got an article listed at WP:GAN and it's on hold until we can fix a few things. I've been involved in fixing it, but I could use more help (the other editor who's working on it with me hasn't done too terribly much). The article is Sega Mega Drive, and on the talk page our reviewer left a couple of comments on what we need to do. It's mostly sourcing issues, but if you can help, I would really appreciate it. Thanks. Red Phoenix (Talk) 15:11, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately I can't I'm very busy on other wikipedia articles.Fairfieldfencer (Talk) 19:25, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

It's over now, but I don't think you could've helped, because it was all a giant sourcing issue. Don't worry about it.

Sorry but if there is one thing I'm bad it's sourcing. That's why I use wikipedia that way I know all the latest Sonic stuff.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 10:03, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ad Banner

Hey, I know the Sega Project hasn't had an ad banner ever, which is why you're using the "Join the Sega Project" text on your userpage. Anyway, if you've read the project talk page, I've created an ad banner, though I'm not so great with images. I've got it on my userpage, too. Here it is:

Image:Wpsega.gif

What do you think? If you like it and want to use it, feel free. You can find the code with the link to the project in the coding for the one on the project talk page. If you like it, I think I'll put this banner into the rotation for Wikipedia Ads, which many users (like Doktor Wilhelm) have on their pages to advertise projects at random. It might draw the project some more members. Red Phoenix (Talk) 23:34, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

The banner looks great and should do well as an advertisement but I'll stick with the one I've got now if that's OK with you.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 16:33, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, sure, no problem. I'll get it put into the ad banner rotation right away. Red Phoenix (Talk) 16:52, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Marine the Raccoon

The reason given for her lack of Aussie accent in the comic is not a "theory" - the writer himself stated that was the case on his message board (http://bumbleking.com/forum) - are message board posts valid refs though? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.243.144.54 (talk) 02:25, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure but stick it back in anyway and sorry for erasing it.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 11:42, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Never mind I've put it back in for you.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 20:24, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Citing video games

Hey, FFF. While I was looking through stuff for an article I'm working on for a future GA nom, Sega Mega Drive, I hit a reference template that I think you might find useful while you're working with the Sonic characters articles. Now, you're supposed to limit how much you source from the games, since they are "primary sources", but this template should help you cite it right. Here's the template:

{{cite video game|title= |developer= |publisher= |date= |platform= |version= |level= |language= |isolang= |quote= }}

Just fill in as much of it as you can each time. Hope that helps. Red Phoenix (Talk) 19:37, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey Red phoenix I think I've finally gotten the Omega article to B-class, but that's your appinion.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 20:07, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sonic Unleashed Barnstar

Sonic Unleashed Barnstar
I present this to you for outstanding participation in the Sonic Unleashed page. Happy Editing and keep up the good job.--Lbrun12415 15:45, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you!

For your notice! Wilhelmina Will (talk) 03:56, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Userbox

Here's what I've got for you. If there's something you'd like changed, just speak up. It doesn't take that much to change userbox coding. By the way, this box is part of your userspace. To enter this, type {{User:Fairfieldfencer/TwoRonnies}}

Two Ronnies This user loves The Two Ronnies. And now it's good night from me. And it's good night from him.

By the way, I fixed your barnstar, too. Someone forgot to put the end bracket on the barnstar, that's all. Red Phoenix flame of life...protector of all... 14:34, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks.Fairfieldfencer FFF 14:44, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm sure you're curious about the "And it's good night from me. And it's good night from him." They used that as the closing line after the end of a show.Fairfieldfencer FFF 14:50, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] I almost forgot!

I've been wanting to give this out to you for a while, but I haven't. So this is for you.

The Sega Project Award

To Fairfieldfencer, for all your help improving The Sega Project and your tireless crusade to improve the Sonic character articles, I hereby award you the Sega Project Award. Red Phoenix flame of life...protector of all... 16:56, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Also, I fixed the glitch on your userpage involving the userboxes and later text getting scrunched up. Just a little trick I picked up while I was editing articles. Red Phoenix flame of life...protector of all... 16:56, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you.Fairfieldfencer FFF 16:59, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Sonic character

After reading the template debates and all that stuff, FFF, I'd really like to keep you from edit warring with everyone. So I've set up a debate on the Sega Project talk page (not the assessment one we use for article cleanup) and invited A Man In Black to come talk with us. I'm also going to invite Kung Fu Man, the person who reverted your last edit. Let's see if we can do this right and come to consensus. Red Phoenix flame of life...protector of all... 17:03, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Please don't continue the edit war like this [2]. It only makes things worse. Cigraphix (talk) 14:17, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
I came here to tell you the same thing. Given the discussion at the template talk page and Wikipedia talk:VG#Sonic info, it is clear that there is not yet consensus to add age, height, weight, or other such characteristics. These fields should only be added if there is consensus to do so. Your edit warring is not productive and violates the spirit of Wikipedia:Three-revert rule. I request that you revert yourself and only add the fields if the discussion determines it. Pagrashtak 20:00, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

NO!! I will not revert my edit!! Man in Black's vandalism to the template is what started this!! I undid the edit then he undid it again in the middle of the discussion.Fairfieldfencer FFF 20:05, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

First of all, A Man in Black's edit was in good faith and does not constitute vandalism—don't just throw that term around. If you look at the link I provided above, you will see that other members of the video game project support his edit, and are in fact providing links to policies and guidelines to back up their statements. You criticize him for reverting in the middle of a discussion, but isn't that exactly what you are doing? I will again ask you to revert your edit, as it defies consensus. Pagrashtak 20:24, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Oh and last time I checked, doing a major edit without notification is vandalism.Fairfieldfencer FFF 14:56, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

I have reluctantly undone my edit.Fairfieldfencer FFF 13:39, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikibreak

Hey, FFF. I know you're doing a lot right now for the Sonic articles, but unfortunately I'm not going to be able to help you much over the next week and a half or so. Next week is Finals Week here at Indiana University, and I've got to spend the rest of this week and next studying, doing those last assignments, etc. Good luck. Red Phoenix flame of life...protector of all... 02:44, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Good luck.Fairfieldfencer FFF 07:22, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Translation

If anybody reading this can read japanese could they please translate this for me.TopazFairfieldfencer FFF 16:43, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Characters fixed

I fixed all of the issues with citations that we had in the Sonic character articles. It wasn't the infobox that was the problem, it was the whole debacle we had with the Sonic character template and the fact that the cite webs were on parameters that were removed (sometimes age, sometimes weight, etc.). That's also why it happened just a short time ago, because of the template issues. So that's fixed. Red Phoenix flame of life...protector of all... 18:17, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Your changes to Severus Snape

Hi. I just undid your good faith changes to Severus Snape. The single brackets inside a quotation indicate changes or ommissions from the original quote. For example, the final quote of the epilogue does not in fact include Snape's name, so you cannot place "(Snape)" inside the quote (that would constitute falsifying a quote). However, since the absence of his name makes the quote, out of context, difficult to understand, this is remedied by adding a bracketed mention of the name to make it clear to the reader. Likewise, when portions of a quote are ommitted, then this is indicated by placing an ellipsis inside single brackets: [...]. The use of brackets in "[H]e" indicates that the original quote used a lower case h (probably because we are picking up a sentence halfway through or after a semicolon), and we are changing it to a capital H for readability. The brackets indicate that this is a change from the original text. Your changes amounted to falsifying the quotes because they presented text that was different from that of the original material without indicating that changes were being made. Just so you know. Magidin (talk) 21:21, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about that.Fairfieldfencer FFF 09:22, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Sonic Chronicles title.jpg

I have updated the Sonic Chronicles title image you uploaded to a smaller, web-resolution version. The recommended maximum for an image to be stated as "low-resolution" (important for uploading copyrighted images under fair use) is 300 pixels along the longest edge, which it now is. SynergyBlades (talk) 20:46, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Omega 3

Hi sorry about that. It didnt make any sense to me but thanks for telling me that I had done wrong. Please do not hesitate to tell me if I do wrong in the future. Christopher140691 (talk) 16:29, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Relax it wasn't your fault. Oh and a word of advise, if you're having trouble with refs try using discussions as refs.Fairfieldfencer FFF 16:36, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sonic task force

Hey, FFF. As the de facto leader of the Sega Project, I have seen a need to expand our project a bit. Articles about the Sonic series of games constitute a large portion of the project's articles, and when we compare how much work we have between the series and other Sega articles, well, the Sonic series definitely has its fair share. So, for better organizational purposes, I am going to create a Sonic task force within the Sega Project. A task force runs much like a WikiProject, though it does not have the size or many of the qualities of the project. After the page is created, the shortcut to the task force will be WP:SEGA/S, and the page will be Wikipedia:WikiProject Sega/Sonic. I will edit the header of the Sega Project's main page to include this task force. This task force seems more like a task force that would be along your train of thought more than mine (as much as I love to work on the Sonic articles, I often find myself working on other articles), so I want to put you in charge of the new task force after I have it set up. The task force's logo will be Image:Blue_circle_with_white_highlight.svg, and for every article that will fall under the new task force, the parameter tf=Sonic needs to be added to the {{segaproject}} box on every article's talk page. It's a lot of work to get this set up fully, and we'll be under construction for a while, but I feel it is necessary for organizational purposes and for cleanup efforts. If you choose not to run the task force, all you have to do is tell me. But I think you'll like it, so enjoy the task force. Red Phoenix flame of life...protector of all... 01:38, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Also, given that we have a new Sega Barnstar designed by Cradel, do you think you could remake the barnstar you gave me using the new barnstar? Sorry if it is too much trouble to ask, just thought I would. Red Phoenix flame of life...protector of all... 02:57, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

The goal of the task force is to get all articles within the task force's scope up in quality in general. The higher, the better. There is no predefined goal. Of course, if you want to run any improvements by me, I'd be happy to take a look. I've done a lot of assessments with my 2500 edits, so I know what to look for in an article. Whenever you want to have an article looked at for class improvement, just take it to anyone else. You can't raise it yourself because that is a conflict of interest. This is why we have assessment departments. For the task force, the Sega Project Assessment Department (WP:SEGA/A) will function for the task force as well, as will all the departments of the Sega Project. Red Phoenix flame of life...protector of all... 12:30, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
I would like the Blaze the Cat article to be the first goal by getting it to B-class.Fairfieldfencer FFF 13:30, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
As good as that sounds, I think cleanup to Sonic the Hedgehog (character) is more important. Though the GAR is very slow right now, we really do need to clean it up and make it a worthy GA since it is the focus of the task force. Red Phoenix flame of life...protector of all... 18:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

I've signed my name on the project's members, which means I'm officially in. Thanks a lot for the invitation, that meant a lot to me. Cheers Super Knuckles (talk) 07:33, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Expanding the Task Force

Hey, FFF. I don't know if you knew this or not, but we can mark what articles are included in the newly formed Sonic Task Force by adding tf=Sonic to each article's {{segaproject}} template. My favor to ask of you is for you to start marking the task force's articles with this. It's a parameter just like class and importance in the tag. Anyway, good luck with the characters. I know you have many character focuses, but I'd like to make the primary goal right now to make sure Sonic the Hedgehog (character) remains a Good Article. It is in horrible shape right now. As of this moment, I'm fairly inactive but I'm working on getting the Mega Drive article to FA and I plan to start working on the Genesis games articles (I'm used to saying Sega Genesis, it's what we call it here in America) and improving them. If you need my help with something, all you have to do is ask and I'll be helping you as soon as I can. I'll try to tag as many articles as possible, but I probably don't have the time. A good place to start with these tags is using the four Sonic templates at the bottom of the Task Force page to get the articles.

Oh, and did we ever get the merger concept set up yet? I'm going to do the merger, but I've got to work in some images (I couldn't do it in my sandbox, fair use images aren't allowed in userspace) and as for the other media, I'm going to just leave it for now. For the users, I'm going to expand every character's part about super transformation using that section from the super transformation article. Of course, you're free to help out all you want after I get this done. Red Phoenix flame of life...protector of all... 02:27, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

You can count on me.Fairfieldfencer FFF 09:32, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
I have added all the Sonic characters, (comic TV etc) and added a few to the Sega scope that should have been there in the first place.Fairfieldfencer FFF 17:19, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
RP, I must thank you for letting me stick the sign on all those articles. My edit count went up by about a hundred which means one step closer to Yeoman. Yay.Fairfieldfencer FFF 20:11, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
You do know it takes 4000 edits AND a year's service to become yeoman, right? I probably shouldn't be a Journeyman; I've got 2500 edits from a lot of assessment but I didn't really start editing until January 2008 (I had an account and two edits since August 2007, and I used this as rationale for the 6 months necessary for Journeyman. But you're welcome anyway; I haven't been able to edit much in the past few days. Red Phoenix flame of life...protector of all... 00:15, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I know that but I've been a wikipedian since october 29 and as you can see on my user page I've done 2900 edits.Fairfieldfencer FFF 08:33, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
And I think it's regardless if you haven't used your account alot, just so long as you've had it for 6 months and have done 2000 edits, but if your unsure I suggest you go to the Service awards article's talk page and ask them if it matters.Fairfieldfencer FFF 10:05, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Eh, it really shouldn't matter. I'm willing to bet you're right. Red Phoenix flame of life...protector of all... 15:07, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Eggman eye colour

Hello, just got your message, here's a Youtube link to the scene Link. As you can see, you can see Eggman's eyes several times through the scene but can't tell what colour they are due to Youtube's quality, but if you have the game at home and play that scene you should be able to see it quite well. --Zikar (talk) 17:52, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

X-box 360. Also, no problems :) --Zikar (talk) 23:31, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I couldn't find the game. Haven't played it in ages... --Zikar (talk) 21:49, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I have no idea... it's been far too long, and I never remembered the names of attacks anyway. --Zikar (talk) 00:30, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Sonic the Hedgehog

I kind of figured it would be. It's pretty poorly written. I guess that's my next project then, if I find the time to get working again. I haven't had it lately. Red Phoenix flame of life...protector of all... 14:40, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Project memebers

So what you mean is that the same IP that did this, this, this, this (and more if you follow on), this, this and no doubt others should be allowed to forge other editors names to projects then? CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 20:19, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

No problem and sorry for being grumpy. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 21:10, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Julie-Su

No amount of cleanup will fix the fact that there are no reliable third-party sources about her (see WP:RS). The source you've provided is a primary source since it (apparently) came directly from Archie. Don't get me wrong, I like the Sonic comics, but there's no point in having a big, in-universe article about a character who isn't notable enough on her own, and should probably be merged to a relevant target. (A few other minor characters have already been merged to relevant lists, such as Nack the Weasel — this is pretty common procedure for fictional characters.) Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 14:22, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, now I'll need to find a third party ref. Oh and by the way, if that profile was not official, don't you think someone might've spotted it by now considering it's used as the main image for the article?Fairfieldfencer FFF 14:27, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
It's okay to use that profile as the main image because it's an official drawing of the character — the fair use rationale is just fine, so the image can stay. As for using conversations between the characters, that's still a primary source because it comes directly from the comic itself. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 15:06, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
A big problem with these comic book articles is that it's mostly uncited excessive plot summaries. Let's be honest, a lot of them are crap, like Super transformation (other media) (by the way, did we ever decide what to do with this?). Unfortunately, there's nothing I can do to save it unless some major revisions happen (read my comments on the AFD page for more). Red Phoenix flame of life...protector of all... 23:57, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Task Force

FFF, I've got a couple of pointers for you with the task force: when you invite people, make sure to extend their welcome to WikiProject Sega, if they are not already on our members list. Also, please encourage them to be active members of the project and use the talk pages. I mean, we are pretty much the only two members who use them (besides occasional pop-ins from Gaogier, Bridies, and Cradel, not to mention TTN, who isn't a project member).

I also wanted to let you know that, other than doing some work with Sonic the Hedgehog (character), I think I'm going to back down from working on fictional character articles including the Sonic characters. After reading WP:FICT over and over again, I've had some points to consider and I need some time to think, as my editing philosophy might be changing after rereading the guideline. I'll still work on the games articles when I have time and also on video game console articles (I got Sega Mega Drive to GA, it needs to go to FA and the other Sega console articles are mostly crap), and maybe more band articles (Crush 40 was such a success story for me that I think I can duplicate the success with other articles). But more or less, I'm working on things which have no fictional perspective (consoles and bands) and less fictional perspective than characters (games). I'd like to encourage you to read WP:FICT over again, too, because it is important to know when working with articles dealing with fiction.

This is part of why I left you in charge of the Sonic Task Force, because, although you may be misguided at times with sourcing and writing and knowing what is important, you are dedicated to the articles and you put a lot of effort into it. I'll still be around to lend a hand if you need it on character articles, but my philosophy is starting to stray from inclusionism to exclusionism on the character articles and I want to back down before I cause any damage leading to TTN winning the debate.

I'll be back online in a couple of hours, I've got some stuff to do off of Wikipedia. Red Phoenix flame of life...protector of all... 13:34, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

lol looks like we got some help with the character stuff, TTN just got blocked for two more weeks for violating ArbCom restrictions again. See here Red Phoenix flame of life...protector of all... 14:43, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Excellent news!

Hey, FFF. Head over to WP:AN and find the section reviewing TTN. Then scroll to the bottom of the discussion (but not the subsection). It looks like the administrators are considering a "topic ban" preventing TTN from working with fiction articles. If this goes through, then we'll have seen the last of his merging - redirecting wrath. By the way, I'm looking for any real-world info I can about the Sonic characters, and I'll put it in the articles when I find it. TTN did help notify us of a problem, that we should "put up" by establishing it. But I think we can do it, so I'll get started searching for sources immediately. Red Phoenix flame of life...protector of all... 14:03, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm not surprised, he had it coming to him. And good luck with your search.Fairfieldfencer FFF 14:14, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RE: Images

Please don't orphan my images. If you would like me to find images of the other characters you want then I will, but don't delete my images without good reason. I'm pretty sure the only reason those images were deleted in the first place is because they didn't have the proper rationale which I will provide. Please respond on my talk page if you want the images.Fairfieldfencer FFF 12:41, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I deleted them because they weren't major enough. We don't need pics. of such minor chars. as those 2 when some articles don't even have the main characters. Villians like: Mephiles, and Black Doom were major villians (For one-timers that is.) ,and have no pics. They don't NEED pics but, they're MUCH more deserving than say: Egg Golem, and Behomith (Or however you spell it.)Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 20:26, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and,

http://l0nk.org/mschar/?offset=0

Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 21:04, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Regardless, the only good reasons for an image to be tagged or orphaned is because it doesn't have the proper rationale, the image is a fan creation or the article has too many images.Fairfieldfencer FFF 21:47, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Oh and I think those characters are unlockable by cheats or hacking, because in that image of Jet you can see Vector's face instead Jet's, so basically if they were intended to be in it Jet's face would've appeared.Fairfieldfencer FFF 21:40, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Where did you find this site anyway?Fairfieldfencer FFF 07:12, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

The MASATOG images are hacks from the EU version of the game containing incomplete data. I also saw Omega as a ref. somewhere. I'll see if i can find it. But, all of those characters were intended to be PCs but, they're wasn't enough time to finish the programing data. If this MASATOG 2 rumour proves true, these chars. will most likely appear as PCs. The images of King Boom Boo, and Egg Golem, several articles removed pics. of chars. due to them being so minor.Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 04:40, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Julie-Su II

AfD is not a vote. The concerns about lack of notability were not addressed. At any rate, the content is still in the history, and so you can retrieve it and fix the concerns, as you believe can be done. seresin ( ¡? ) 08:55, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] My Next Project

Hey, FFF. Sorry about that whole discussion we've had at TTN's talk page, but unfortunately, as much as I didn't want to say anything to TTN, I felt that I had to. The comic articles have lots of problems (and I think most of that is due to the creator of many of these articles, Grandmastergalvatron.) Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to become a peon of TTN now. I don't like to delete or exclude if possible, but this is one case where I don't think we can fight it due to WP:PLOT violations and others. I'll help clean up as much as I can, and I definitely think E-123 Omega can stay as well, but it's just not going to work to keep them all.

By the way, I thought I'd let you in on my next project on Wikipedia. I'm going to take List of Sega Mega Drive and Sega Genesis games, List of Sega Mega-CD games, and List of Sega 32X games and try to get them to featured list status. I've got a couple sources for this: www.sega-16.com has comprehensive lists for all three systems, and a couple sources linked to List of Nintendo 64 games that cover a lot of systems comprehensively.

Anyway, I've been busy lately, but I'll be doing some work tomorrow. Also, I sent a message to VirtualSteve about Gaogier's block, so we'll see how that works out. Later, it's almost 2 a.m. here in Indiana and I'm very tired right now. Red Phoenix flame of life...protector of all... 05:50, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] E123 Omega

Could I ask why you reverted my edit to this article, an edit that was made to enable the article to conform to our non-free image policy? Black Kite 12:24, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Well Omega 12 should be kept on the article as it shows Omega before his design changes. Kind of like how you show actors when they're young.Fairfieldfencer FFF 13:14, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
I strongly suggest you go and read our fair use policies, especially WP:NFCC#1 and WP:NFCC#8, before you restore them. Black Kite 13:22, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Those images do help give an understanding of the article. Would you know the differences between his current look and previous one if you hadn't played those games before if the images weren't there?Fairfieldfencer FFF 13:29, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Identical? His design has changed alot, read this section to compare. SectionFairfieldfencer FFF 13:31, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
The last two images are (a) practically identical, and (b) pretty similar to the lead image as well. Any differences that the images show aren't discussed anywhere in the article and thus no understanding is gained (WP:NFCC#8), and even if they were could be easily explained in text (WP:NFCC#1). This is very clear image overuse (WP:NFCC#3a. I would also point out that you have made three reverts now. Black Kite 13:34, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Read the link I just posted it is discussed in the article.Fairfieldfencer FFF 13:37, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Which just goes to prove that it doesn't need the image if you can describe it in text (replaceable image - WP:NFCC#1) and also very few of the differences are even noticeable in the image. Now, you have made four reverts on this article, so I'd suggest you revert your last edit. Black Kite 13:47, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sega Newsletter

Behold! Here's how I'm going to push the project further, through a new newsletter service. Read it, I think you may be interested. Red Phoenix flame of life...protector of all... 04:08, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Pretty cool, and thanks.Fairfieldfencer FFF 09:30, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Err, I think it still needs a little work though. For instance: when I post an edit underneath it the edit gets entangled with it.Fairfieldfencer FFF 09:33, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
That's been fixed now. I guess I missed a bracket in the coding itself. Red Phoenix flame of life...protector of all... 01:08, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

congrats on the award, man!!! :)--Sonicobbsessed (talk) 20:00, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RE:Omega Ref

SLJCOAAATR 1, you said you'd found a ref for the Omega article. Could you show me it please?Fairfieldfencer FFF 09:24, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

I forget where it was but, i'll try to find it again.Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 17:26, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Sure. But, am i the only one noticing this?

http://sljcoaaatr.deviantart.com/art/HiddenSecretNintendoPowerMoon-86684600

I posted it on TSS, and everyone thinks i'm crazy...Do you see it?Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 18:04, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

If it's someone with good eye sight you're looking for, you're asking the wrong person.Fairfieldfencer FFF 18:12, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

LOL. Thanks anyway. I can only see the images on the NP moon though...Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 23:51, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

I think you may have misunderstood me. By ref.,i meant referre in MASATOG. Some mag. monthes ago said he'd be one, and there was a screen of it but, his model seemed very incomplete...Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 21:08, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The discussion at WP:VG

Hey, FFF. There's a discussion about Sonic the Hedgehog fancruft going on at the Video games project (which is where that Angel Island AFD came from), and I'd like it if you would join in on the conversation. We haven't handled the character articles yet, but here's the propositions: TTN has suggested seven character articles. I suggested eleven. With a little luck, you might be able to suggest E-123 Omega to keep his article, but you're the only real one who can argue that case, since I haven't followed that article extensively. Red Phoenix flame of life...protector of all... 04:37, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: The Sega Project invitation

Hello, and thanks for the invite. However, I must respectfully decline, though please allow me to explain. I have little time as it is on Wikipedia nowadays and do not feel I could cope with the mammoth task of stripping the Sonic articles of (what I see as) a huge amount of fancruft; it took me a surprisingly long time just to get the fairly short Sonic Chronicles article up to scratch. With regards to Sega itself and the project, I now have only a passing interest in the Sonic franchise. Having been a huge fan back in the days of Sonic 1/2/3, the series has continued to spiral from those dizzy heights and is a shadow of its former self. I had the misfortune of picking up the dire Sonic the Hedgehog 2006 for the PS3 as my first Sonic game since Sonic 3 & Knuckles, coupled to which I tend to find the remaining Sonic fans who have not abandoned the series are those that started after the Genesis-era, who revel in the cutesy world of Sonic's romantic interests and the hundreds of different irrelevant characters - some of the "characters from the Sonic series" articles really do show this attitude in spades - leaving the reputation of the series in tatters.

However, I look forward to Sonic Unleashed and hope that this will reverse that trend, which is why I maintain it. As I'm sure you've seen, some of the edits to that merely typify what I'm talking about. I'll continue to keep Unleashed well-referenced and hopefully up-to-date, but beyond that I can't really offer any help, though I do appreciate the invite. Keep vigilant with Unleashed, as you have been already. :) Regards SynergyBlades (talk) 23:52, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks FFF

Thanks for the cake, FFF. It's all right, I haven't had much time to do much lately but sit on my hands (I've had List of Sega 32X games tied up at WP:FLC but no one can do anything about it since there is some policy discussion going on about including Australia in all of this, which I can't source if it goes through.)

Anyway, it looks like the Sonic cruft discussion has gone cold. But we, as WikiProject Sega, do have the responsibility to finish it. Now, I hate to tell you this, but the comic articles have to be merged. There's no other option since most of them are violations of WP:NOT#PLOT, probably because many of them were written by User:Grandmastergalvatron, from what I've seen. As for the game characters, well, I'm still sticking to the 12 article plan: Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Dr. Eggman, Metal Sonic, Shadow, Rouge, E-123 Omega, Blaze, Silver, and Cream. Everything else, as I can see, deserves to be merged (speaking of which, there's a mess of lists we need to sort out of that.) It's up to you where to discuss this now: keep it at WP:VG or go to WT:SEGA or WP:SONIC. Just let me know, and we'll keep sorting this out. Also, before we delete/merge anything, we'll transwiki anything we can't use to http://sonic.wikia.com because they could certainly use it. Sorry I haven't been so active lately, but I've been out looking for a summer job and I'm still in limbo over what's going to happen with that. Red Phoenix flame of life...protector of all... 13:53, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

We'll keep it where it is now but I think more merge tags should be put up, and that the merge should be mentioned in the next Sega Project newsletter. And boy are you right about the wiki. I've got an account on there by the same name and it's nothing compared to Wikipedia.Fairfieldfencer FFF 14:09, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to go ahead and stick some merge tags up on the lists and the characters. Can you help me with that? Besides, you could use the edit count boost, I know. Mark to merge what you can from Category:Sonic the Hedgehog characters, other than the twelve characters we've been talking about, into these lists:
Yes, the last one hasn't been created yet. Or you could mark comic articles (besides Sonic the Comic) to merge into the TV series and we rename that since many articles share between the TV series and the Archie comic in the articles. Red Phoenix flame of life...protector of all... 14:40, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
I just got 4000 edits. I don't need the boost but I'll help out, (it might help get protestors against the merge). Oh, and don't bother with video game and Sonic X, they've been done already. Fairfieldfencer FFF 14:43, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ratification vote.

FFF, there's a vote at Wikipedia_talk:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Assessment#Ratification_vote_on_C-Class about adding a C-Class to Assessment. If you don't mind, I would like it if you would be willing to come and support it, if you think it's worthwhile to add. I was planning on using it at the Sega Project if it gets ratified. Also, it helps to clarify the difference between Start class and B class, which really needs to be done, IMO. The vote deadline is on the 18th. Thanks, Red Phoenix flame of life...protector of all... 17:27, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Doesn't this mean you're going to have to reassess the Start and B-Class articles?Fairfieldfencer FFF 18:15, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, but I'm willing to do that. I can handle it, not to worry. Red Phoenix flame of life...protector of all... 20:09, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
I hope so. Good luck rating the 335 articles.Fairfieldfencer FFF 20:14, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
lol considering I rated most of them the first time around, I think I can handle it. Red Phoenix flame of life...protector of all... 03:53, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
I just figured I'd tell you now before it hit you all of a sudden.Fairfieldfencer FFF 08:04, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] In response to your warning

I fail to see how the majority of the edits I made were counter-productive, seeing as they mostly consisted of removing details most would consider un-encyclopedic. However, if they interfered with some grand scheme the Project SEGA team has planned, fair enough.

Just promise me you won't indiscriminately undo any future edits I make in the Sonic section. At least, not before checking them first. --Danish Ranger 19:27, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I just felt that those edits reduced the importance of their respective articles.Fairfieldfencer FFF 19:31, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Point taken for most of those. However, one edit to the Blaze article, which I will re-do now, I did because I felt it contributed nothing of substance to the article that the pictures didn't already. --Danish Ranger 19:42, 6 June 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Danish Ranger (talk • contribs)
Actually, I could use another image of Blaze as a ref with that info that I could get away with. After all the article could do with more refs.Fairfieldfencer FFF 19:51, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Erica Connery

Hi, you recently blanked Erica Connery saying that there is no proof of her also being known as Jennifer Douillard. I agree with your views, so I've nominated the redirect for deletion. Please feel free to share your comments and insight at the redirect's deletion discussion page. Thanks, Cunard (talk) 00:50, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Oh, crap...

This isn't good, FFF. Looks like the Sonic character articles may receive more of a strip than I first hoped for, because User:A Man In Black just had to interject and put his deletionist/exclusionist views out there. Take a look at WT:VG#fgsfds. I have to back out, I'm not a strong enough fiction writer to defend it any more. Red Phoenix flame of life...protector of all... 01:42, 10 June 2008 (UTC)