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[edit] West Berlin

  • Electuins in 1979 CD2, SD+1 IN 1984 CD2 ,SD+1 in 1989 CD1 ,SD+1, ECO+1 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.200.9.34 (talk) 02:31, August 21, 2007 (UTC)

Didn't Greece elect MEPs after their accession and before 1984, too? —Nightstallion (?) 23:19, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I based this on the pre-standardisation Greek elections template, which suggested they didn't. Might be wrong though! Number 57 09:52, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[1] seems to indicate that they did elect their MEPs in 1981... —Nightstallion (?) 15:08, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Size of template and abbreviations

There's two reasons why I prefer my way of structuring this template: Firstly, the abbreviations you used are non-standard in some cases, and do not really help with navigating; secondly, it helps a lot to have the supplementary elections in separate rows. I do realise the template takes up a little bit more space the way I do it, but since it's only at the very bottom of articles, anyway, that doesn't really hurt. —Nightstallion (?) 13:59, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

No offence, but I think it looks a bit of a mess this way, especially the overlap of country names for the 2004 elections (and coming 2009 elections). This morning's edit tabulised it so they couldn't overlap like this. Perhaps the 1987, 1995 and 2007 elections could have a seperate row, but I don't think it's needed as they are really part of the same election as the previous one.

Which country names are non-standard? The UK is the only non-IOC code, and arguably the only country which it is not needed for (as also the GBR code ignores Northern Ireland).

Anyway, please don't revert it again this time! Thanks, Number 57 14:10, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I've tried it once more, properly tabularising it this time; I'm mainly against abbreviating the country names because it creates unnecessary confusion (there's no need to save space, really; the space we save is not really used for anything else, as I've tried to reason above), especially since "Spain" is suddenly between "Denmark" and "Estonia"... —Nightstallion (?) 14:42, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

How about this version as a compromise - long names used, but no off year elections in the left hand column? The previous edit came out a bit strange - years didn't line up (possibly set to a certain screen width?). Number 57 14:59, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Aye, that's a very fair compromise, thanks! I touched it up a bit, italicising the future elections and such. Thanks for compromising! :) —Nightstallion (?) 15:04, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Flag

I removed the flag on the end because it looked rubbish tacked onto the end, was replaced with this message "+ flag as per standard". Can I just ask, what "standard"?!? -JLogan 16:30, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Like the 201 other election templates (see Category:Election templates)! Number 57 16:54, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Full Reversion

David Kernow asked me why I fully reverted his edit a month ago. He basically created a template I did so for three reasons:

  1. It was an undiscussed major change to a template without a substantive edit summary, I didn't think that was procedurally right;
  2. It made the template more difficult to use by hiding all relevant information;
  3. It arbitarily cut the template in half;
  4. It removed all kinds of nuances from the template.

Therefore I reverted it. C mon 07:13, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Apologies for my over-enthusiasm in redesigning the template. Something must've prompted me to do so, although I can't think why I divided it in half (and horizontally rather than vertically). Hopefully the following retains all the nuances:


v • d • e
Flag of Europe European Union parliamentary elections
1979
Greece
1984
Portugal · Spain
1989
1994
Austria · Finland · Sweden
1999
2004
Bulgaria · Romania
2009 
[[Category:Election templates|{{PAGENAME}}]]
[[Category:European Union templates|Elections]]


Thanks in advance for feedback!  Best wishes, David Kernow (talk) 14:58, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

IMHO your proposal is fine. C mon 21:18, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
It looks ok to me too (perhaps the flag could be moved to the right of the text for consistency with other election templates?). One concern is its size - and it will be even worse when the 2014 elections come around! Perhaps the country names could be replaced by three letter ISO codes in order to get each election on one line (as well as including off year elections in the on year rows)? Number 57 21:40, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
v • d • e
European Union parliamentary elections Flag of Europe
1979 | 1981

BEL · DNK · FRA · IRL · ITA · LUX · NLD · GBR · FRG  |  GRC
1984 | 1987

BEL · DNK · FRA · GRC · IRL · ITA · LUX · NLD · GBR · FRG  |  PRT · ESP
1989

BEL · DNK · FRA · GRC · IRL · ITA · LUX · PRT · NLD · ESP · GBR · FRG
1994 | 1995

BEL · DNK · FRA · DEU · GRC · IRL · ITA · LUX · PRT · NLD · ESP · GBR  |  AUT · FIN · SWE
1999

AUT · BEL · DNK · FIN · FRA · DEU · GRC · IRL · ITA · LUX · NLD · PRT · ESP · SWE · GBR
2004 | 2007

AUT · BEL · CYP · CZE · DNK · EST · FIN · FRA · DEU · GIB · GRC · HUN · IRL · ITA · LVA · LTU · LUX · MLT · NLD · POL · PRT · SVK · SVN · ESP · SWE · GBR  |  BGR · ROU
2009

AUT · BEL · BGR · CYP · CZE · DNK · EST · FIN · FRA · DEU · GIB · GRC · HUN · IRL · ITA · LVA · LTU · LUX · MLT · NLD · POL · PRT · ROU · SVK · SVN · ESP · SWE · GBR

 
[[Category:Election templates|{{PAGENAME}}]]
[[Category:European Union templates|Elections]]


Yes, using the three-letter ISO codes seems a good idea!  I've also amended the above (rather than add even more to this page's size) so that the off-year election years appear in the group headings and that the gap between groups is slightly larger (i.e. more distinct, using <div>s). If this still okay, I'll transfer the above to the template. Yours, David (talk) 00:35, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
PS Re the flagicon position, it seems a little odd as a suffix rather than a prefix; cf, for example, some of the templates added to the ends of country articles. Personally, I'm not too keen on either, as collectively the varied positions of flagicons in groups of (collapsed) templates tend to look untidy. It reminds me of a suggestion I meant to make somewhere some time ago, that templates whose titlebars included flagicons are formatted as currently here (for example), with, say, the v·d·e links in the top righthand corner of the template body (i.e. below the [show/hide] link). Any thoughts...?

I think it would be nicer to keep the order of the countries as similar as possible, so they form collumns like france does in the first three. C mon 07:26, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure we need the [hide] option at all given that the template will be at the bottom of articles (and no other template is there in most cases) - the v-d-e could go in the top right per other election templates. Number 57 08:28, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
...although currently that would make it non-standard as regards {{Navbox generic}} (and {{Navigation}})-based templates. Perhaps, though, this option could be added to {{Navbox generic}}; this proposal (and the thread containing it) may be of interest...
Re the countries' order, I guess my instinct would be the status quo, i.e. alphabetically by code, but if the consensus is otherwise, fine!  In the meantime, I hope I've not been too quick to copy the above version to the template page. Yours, David (talk) 15:38, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
No, fine by me. I've alphabetised the codes and shrunk it slightly (by not having <return> between each link). Number 57 16:02, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Which version

Which of the two versions [DK: discussed above] do people prefer? I don't really understand your reasoning behind the change Nightstallion - I thought it would be better to (a) have the 3 letter codes in alphabetical order rather than remain in the order that the country names come in, and (b) to reduce the redundant space as much as possible. Comments? Number 57 19:59, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


[Edit-conflicted with:]

  • User:Nightstallion has indicated he'd prefer the countries' names; on reflection, (1) using the three-letter codes does presume users are comfortable with them; and (2) I don't reckon using the names will increase the template's size significantly. Since they were in use before, would anybody ibject if they were reinstated...?  David (talk) 20:01, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Two things

1: Austria and Finland 1995?
The Austria & Finland elections were held in 1996, not 1995 (see [2], [3],[4],[5],[6],[7]).

2: The off-year elections 81,87,95,96 and 2007
Given the above, the European Parliament election, 1981, European Parliament election, 1987, European Parliament election, 1995, and European Parliament election, 2007 articles will cover at most two member states, and two of them (81 and 95) will only cover one. This, combined with the fact that each article will only ever be a stub/linkfarm, calls the viability of those articles into question.

I therefore propose the following:

I will implement the first proposal immediately. If anybody has any strong feelings for or against the second proposal, please make them known.

Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 22:19, 8 January 2008 (UTC)