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How do they decide which teams go? --Awiseman 13:18, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

"Palacio municipal de Badalona"????????? Palau Olímpic de Badalona, respect for Catalonia. http://www.badalona.cat/aj-badalona/ca/ciutat/viure-badalona/equipaments/equipament.html?html=4_15.html

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[edit] Professional?

Is this a professional league? --Howard the Duck 09:28, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes. - Yuval 11:55, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Team and country

I wonder, wouldn't be right if we mentioned next to the team the country that exists now? For example Cibona-Croatia, CSKA Moscow-Russia. The same with the "titles by country" section. In this way we could show the real achievement by country, for example the great tradition of croatian basketball something which is not possible under the name "Yugoslavia". Besides we talk about clubs and not national teams (only in this case we couldn't change the country), so we can use the country that a team always belong even if this country used to belong to a wider federation. We could put the Yugoslavia and USSR thing as a note below the table. Sthenel 14:54, 7 January 2007

This goes to the top question as well: Teams represent their nations, based on achievements in local competition. Until 2000, this was very strictly kept. In fact, only since the laate 1970's were non-champions allowed - that is, local runner-ups of the best leagues and the defending champion, if it hadn't also locally triumphed that year. Since the 2001 reshuffle this has changed quite a bit. Some teams sign separate contracts with ULEB and thus ensure their participation for the next X years. Nevertheless, these tend to be the strongest teams in the continent anyway... the mediocre leagues (Germany, Poland, Slovenia, Portugal, Latvia to name a few) send their champions to the competition, while the weakest do not participate at all and try and qualify for the next years via ULEB Cup. - Yuval 11:55, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edits from fans

First of all, in the opening paragraph, the fact that Real Madrid has the record in the competition is the only thing that we have to mention. Other records should be included in the "Trivia" section. We won't include any record of any team in the lead paragraph because a fan requested it. Secondly, saying that they were 20,000 fans in a stadium of 18,500 seats is an exaggeration. A club can say that the attendance in a specific match was 15,000 while the official counting has given 12,000. So records like that should be based on Euroleague's source. - Sthenel 11:20, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

As for the first part, both records belong to the same "category".Your opinion of putting the one as the second sentence of the article and the other one at the Trivia section is TOTALLY subjective.Are you the one that judges alone what worths being mentioned where?As for the tickets...As i've written again, there is no more official source for a tickets sold, other than THE TEAM ITSELF.They sell them, they count them.Simple as that.Euroleague is not the teams' accountants.I'm linking the source which is the official site of the team and i don't think there's a need for further explanation on that one.And last, but not least, being a guest means nothing.There can be guests that edit articles and contribute anonymously with the same respect that you have for Wikipedia Sthenel.So don't try to use that as a plus for yourself during our argument.Besides, if that wasn't the case, then the owners of Wikipedia should completely ban guest editing.But they don't do it, so that means we have EQUAL rights.Cheers. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.203.52.14 (talk) 15:59, 15 May 2007 (UTC).

1st: The Olympic Indoor Hall has around 18,500 seats, so the tickets which were sold cannot be 20,000. There were 20,000 fans unofficially. The record does exist but not like the way you present it. 2nd: Real Madrid has the record in the whole competition and not a record for a specific period of time and this is something that should be mentioned on the top. I hadn't put it by myself. It was put even before I first watched this page. - Sthenel 16:29, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

-So, there is you admitting that there were 20.000 fans inside, we have Panathinaikos announcing it on it's official page, but you think we shouldn't mention it and keep removing it, although it practically happened (as you wrote).What should one think?That you are unbiased and i'm the one who's promoting Panathinaikos? -The Final four era of the Euroleague is the most "important" one for the history of the sport, plus it's the current format of the competition.Of course Real's record is bigger as a record.Who can deny it?But that simply doesn't mean that those two identical pieces of information must be written seperately.Writing those two bits of information one after another has a meaning of coherence.The reader is informed about the most successful teams in terms of overall history and the final fours era.There's no more simpler way i can explain this and i see no reason splitting them. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.203.52.14 (talk) 17:20, 15 May 2007 (UTC).

The tickets for that match couldn't have been more than 18,500 so attendance of 20,000 people is an exaggeration. When we talk about a competition we refer to the record-team as a significant part of the info. Everything else is nothing more than "trivia". That's the end of this conversation. - Sthenel 17:18, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Final-four

The first final4 WAS NOT held in 1988 (Ghent). The first final4 was in 1966 (Bologna) and there was a final4 the next year (1967 in Madrid). So the total of final4 made is not 20, but 22. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ashton har (talk • contribs) 10:48, 9 May 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Help from Admins

The article is continually edited by fans who try to spotlight the teams they support. Most of them are guests and they are reluctant to discuss anything in the talk page. - Sthenel 18:56, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

I've protected the article. This edit-warring is unacceptable, but that goes for both sides. I count something like 10 reverts by Sthenel within 2 days, and an equal number by the 85.x.x.x anon. This is a simple content dispute, neither side can argue they are simply reverting "vandalism". I should maybe have blocked both parties, but since blocks against anons tend to be not very effective, I have preferred protection instead. Please work it out on the talk page, there's nothing else that can be done. Fut.Perf. ☼ 05:18, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Qualification?

Absolutely nowhere in this page is it discussed just how a team qualifies for Euroleague competition from season to season.

I did wonder about the same thing. It seems there is simply a fixed number of teams that participate; the article states: “That was when ULEB, the Union of European Leagues of Basketball, was created by the 24 richest club teams..." It sounds like the way the big North-American sports leagues work which Europeans may be unfamiliar with. --Bjarki 12:21, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Promotion/Relegation

It would be nice if someone could state for sure whether the league uses promotion/relegation. Kenallen 17:59, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

It doesnt. see my comment bolow --ArnoldPettybone 22:16, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Its a veeeeeeeery tricky subject

Generally speaking, every country that has number of tickets given by ULEB and a Premier league union that are members of ULEB are entitled for participation. There are countries that dont have that union and are entitled, like russia, because CSKA Moscow is an important team to the Euroleague(they see it that way). In that case CSKA sign a 3 year country to participte. In Israel the situation was very much the same,with a premier league union that was established a few years and was excepted by ULEB last year. The Union decided that the league will decided upon a final four and dropped the playoffs to give teams more chance to defeat maccabi, whos lost only one championsip in the last 37 years. In return, maccabi got the privilege to be in the Euroleague until 2009. In the middle of this season it was decided taht the final four will continue for two more season, thus maccabi extended their agreement with the league union until 2012. In the countries that do have a PL union, the union decided the qulification himself per tickets received from the Euroleague. for example, In spain, that have 4 tickest there is a 3 year period of achievement calculation(wins, losses, playoff wons and losses) by table. the top two teams receive a 3 year contract. now the teams are Tau and malaga. The two other teams are set per season, I think. In Poland: champion. Serbia the same. In Slovenia Lubliana has a contract but they are in a tough situation financially. maybe that ticket will go the adriatic league champion more information can be found here, In spanish: [1] --ArnoldPettybone 15:06, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

As I understand, the ULEB Cup winner is automatically promoted to the Euroleague for one season? I recall the situation with Lietuvos Rytas Vilnius that won the ULEB Cup, then participated in the Euroleague for one season and was then relegated to the ULEB cup the previous season (the Lithuanian Euroleague "ticket" as you put it apparently belonged to Žalgiris Kaunas). The previous season Lietuvos Rytas achieved second place in the ULEB Cup but as Real Madrid, who won, qualified to the Euroleague via (winning?) the Spanish league then the next-best of ULEB cup was also promoted? Agree that it is a tricky subject though Valhalla guardian (talk) 16:25, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Proposal: Add background on parties involved and commercial interests

It would be useful if someone could add (critical) insights into the individuals and parties involved as well as their financial interests. Especially since none of that can be found the the official Euroleague website.88.73.108.165 (talk) 16:38, 19 May 2008 (UTC)