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Why was this moved to Eupatoria (which to English ears is Юпаторія)? For Ukrainian place names we use the National system; so this should be at Yevpatoria. —Michael Z. 2005-11-25 04:53 Z


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[edit] Han Cami mosque

Ghirlandajo, what do you mean saying "primary sources"? You can simply google to find out that Kezlev Han Cami was really built by Hoca Sinan. Don Alessandro 19:01, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why is it called Eupatoria?

I have lived here for the past 5 months. There seems to be absolutely no reason to call it Eupatoria. The most logical transliteration is Yevpatoria. That is what people call it - that is what it is primarily. On searching for information, the Yevpatoria translation is a lot more useful and a lot more accurate.

In general, people here do not know about any Eupator... The name is also translated to Yevpatoriya here. Is the purpose to portray an accurate picture of the place or to give a blind-sided British Textbook view of the place? We ought to make a sidenote that is is Eupatoria in some historical records and use the more accurate name. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.207.115.86 (talk) 11:30, 20 December 2006 (UTC).

Taking a look at google, there are 10 times as many hits for "Eupatoria", so it seems to be by far the most common name in English. I'd imagine it comes in that spelling to English by way of Greek, since "eu" in Greek is pronounced "ev". I'm going to add "Yevpatoria" to the intro though. --Delirium 12:59, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Whatever says Google — for evident reasons, you will find far more English versions of most names than Ukrainian ones —, no one will ever say Eupatoria. And I can't remember if I ever met any Ancient Greek in Yevpatoriya, but here is the way we, Ukrainians, pronounce this name, be it in Russian or in Ukrainian. What's more, Євпаторія is the official form of the name — I mean: not some Ευπατόρια unsuitably transliterated with eu instead of ev —, which may be best transliterated Yevpatoriya, to suit BOTH the Ukrainian AND Russian pronunciation. Sorry for the English-speaking people who think this town may still be some Greek counter… So why stick to such an argument that Google is the ruler, not the inhabitants, the speakers and the government of the country?
Moreover, Google give 98,400 hits for “Yevpatoriya”, 28,200 for “Yevpatoria”, and 270,000 for “Eupatoria” — but take a careful look at what these Eupatoria are exactly in more than 90% cases (I stopped searching after the 12th page, actually), you'd be quite surprised (Polish name, Ancient Greece, arts, plants, diseases, copies from copies and… Wikipedia!). That is: there are about 3.5 times as many for “Yevpatoriya”, Google say.
May I move this article to Yevpatoriya, without endlessly arguing on this point? ✓ Kanġi Oĥanko (talk) 11:50, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
According to the national rules of transliteration for Ukrainian geographic places (1996) Євпаторія transliterates as Yevpatoriia. --Greggerr (talk) 22:09, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Which may or may not matter depending on whether there exists an established English name for the city (eg. Ukraine for 'Ukraina' or Crimea for 'Krym') that takes precedence in English Wikipedia. --Irpen 22:42, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't know where Google get it's data from but on every map I saw (found by Google!) the town was called Yevpatoriya. So please change the name! Mariah-Yulia (talk) 21:15, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Not so fast. We need to look the usage carefully before making any moves. --Irpen 03:09, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Well there are some good arguments to proof that google is misleading! The main argument not renaming Kiev to Kyiv is always that foreigners have used the name Kiev for so long. Evpatoria doesn't seem to have that problem cause it's not that famous :). Maybe it's best to wait until a week passes since the request (to rename the article)! Then nobody can accuse anybody of bad faith or being reckless? Mariah-Yulia (talk) 13:19, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Agrimonia eupatoria is a plant :)
  • 80.300 google hits for Agrimonia eupatoria
  • 261.000 google hits for Eupatoria
  • 236.000 google hits for Evpatoria
  • 261.000 - 80.300= 180.700 google hits for Eupatoria? Mariah-Yulia (talk) 13:40, 1 April 2008 (UTC)