Talk:Ethnic Cleansing (video game)

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Whoa. This little bit sounds so very wrong for a supposedly non-biased reference...

"Ethnic Cleansing is an important step in the history of racist video gaming. Until its release, racism in video games had been resticted to patches for decade-old games such as Doom, Pac Man or Wolfenstein 3D. Ethnic Cleansing is quite probably the first explicity racist video game created from scratch. Resistance intend to create a similar line of games based on the events of the Turner Diaries."

I mean, "important step in the history of racist video gaming?" That sounds as if the writer is optimistic that more racist videogames will follow suit. Someone revise it please? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.115.196.67 (talk • contribs) .

I changed it to this:

Ethnic Cleansing is possibly the first computer or video game that was conceived, developed and marketed as an having explicitly racist content.

The reason being that "racism" in games has quite a long history, depending on how you define "racism in games". (Some might go on and argue anything that even remotely looks like a racial stereotype might qualify as racism, for example.) The overtly racist mods to games are a topic in itself and might not need to be discussed in this article at all, unless they're also discussed in the articles of the games too, which they aren't right now. (Racist mods for Pac-Man? what the...? And I thought you didn't need any racist mods for Wolf3D, that place is crawling with Nazis already!)

The above sentence in my opinion summarises why this particular game is notable(ish). And I say "possibly" in it, because I have very vague recollections of some 8-bit games getting flak for having what could be interpreted as racist things (but could be just a mod thing again). --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 16:54, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Ehm...ever heard of KZ manager? That IS a racist and pro-nazi game and existed way before Ethnic Cleansing, even way before Wolf3D. The link on its page leads to a download page full of racist or otherwise offensive/extremist games, and many of these date back to DOS days. What makes Ethnic Cleansing so special is that it's the first such game to be commercially released. EpiVictor 20:25, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Never heard of that one. =/ Thanks for the clarifications. And I know racist games as such aren't new too. I'll think up something and put it to this article. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 12:17, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

I added a note about the levels in Manhunt where you get to kill skinheads. Knowing Rockstar, it was their protest to this game. But really, killing skinheads. Manhunt was an inappropriate title... it should have been called PUSSYHUNT!

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[edit] Any "real" reviews around?

THIS Game is retaRDED AND IS A HORRIBLE GAME. really d-

As it seems, it's pretty hard to find "true" reviews about the game. All articles focus on its controversial theme and give little space to describing gameplay, graphics and sound. So...does any Wikipedian other than myself know of a review or played the game himself?

The claims about "budget-like quality" and "dull gameplay" are more than evident to anyone having had the "luck" of playing the game once, and the (very few and indirect) actual reviews of the game, when they bother describing THE GAME, talk about a crude collage of shapeless "Nigz" models, 8-bit quality samples, and an overall quality that reminds of titles like Thundra by Spungulas Software, not even comparable to e.g. Doom (the "reviews" at Resistance Records own homepage are generally very biased, yet even there a certain amount of dissatisfaction can be noticed).

Many of the articles (on newspapers and web sites) commenting about the game just rip off the texts out of the manual and the box of the game and continue to focus on the "first time advanced technology" of the title, while any experienced videogamer will start laughing 5 minutes after playing the game and realizing what a bargain bin game EC is.

Now...wikipedia isn't limited by whatever reasons prevented gaming sites from reviewing the game, so an attempt at providing a better description other than the generic "running through the ghetto and blasting..." ripped from the game's own texts could and should be done. EpiVictor 11:36, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

I guess most game sites just don't bother to review games like these, either because they refuse to play it at all (either for personal reasons or in an attempt to make a point) or figure their audience just isn't interested in it.
Most game reviewers seem to think that refusing to review something would send a political message, although I would think that a bad, factual, review is better at trashing a game than self-censorship. In Germany (where racist/nazi games are banned and graphic violence is heavily restricted) some gaming magazines reviewed an ultra-violent 3D shooter widely considered tasteless and not review-worthy just to show why the game was considered bad (technically and philosophically), but that seems to have been a very unique incident.
Call it cowardice or mislead activism, but I don't think any major "authority" (i.e. game magazine or major website) would review such a game. -- Ashmodai 09:22, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] References for "realistic negro sounds"

From the game's own page:

8.) Q.)Why do you advertise "Realistic Negro Sounds" and then only have monkey and ape sounds?

A.)Because it's funny. [sic] [1].

The "advertisment" they're talking about was on some earlier promotional pages and on the box of the game itself, if I recall. EpiVictor 16:24, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

It's also in the Popmatters review, last of the external links, so there should be no more doubts. EpiVictor 16:59, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
I keep reverting a (vandal?) who keeps posting that the advertisements are true. I warned him on his talk page. --Liface 23:24, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Has anyone noticed that when you go to the FAQ thing and then click on "home," it takes you to a porn site?

[edit] My REAL review

this is for that guy up there who wanted a non biased review of some one who actually played the game

First off, before you start the game a pop up appears asking what rendering device you want to use beofre you launch the app (software or open GL) i couldnt get the game to work on open GL at all, in software rendering mode i wasent able to get my screen resolution to work and worse it crashed my comp right after i launched it, so i re-booted and finally got the game to play in a 800x600 window in software resolution mode. As for the game play... IT SUCKS (and it didnt even render half the objects corrrect). In the options there was a controls menu, but I couldnt figure out how to change them (if u can even change the controls), and unlike ever FPS ever made it used the "S" button to move forward and "Z" and "X" to strafe side to side (and I dont even know if there was a back button). The game felt slugish and the graphics looked like something strait out of windows 95. I only got to kill two enemies before i some how died, and it then crashed again! As for the 30 whole seconds of game play , i killed two enimes, an african american that yes "screamed like an ape" when i killed him, and a very, very, very stereotypical mexican wearing a sombrero and one of those colorful cape things (sorry, i dont know the name of it). The music was some punk band singing about "get of of here niggers!" The only reason to think of downlaoding the game (yes download, not buying becuase those bills would be better spent wipeing your ass with) is if you like to collect novelty games, and in that case just downlaod it on bittorrent like i did. Harsh review? yes, but would agree with me to if you played it yourself

--Joe dude 07:59, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

That does it, I'm getting this based on your excellent review. --Liface 15:29, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
LOL, that's more or less what I heard from other players: the 3D rendering system is just primitive by 2002/2003 standards, even with OpenGL support turned on (the view distance is something like 15-20 meters, after that objects "darken" then vanish), sound effects are just laughable (I guess the music suits the mood of the game, though) and the gameplay resembles Thundra somehow. So no, no "cutting edge technology" was used in this game, instead it looks like something straight out of a "game maker" package or something. EpiVictor 22:52, 26 August 2006 (UTC)



[edit] Cleanup

Spotted some vandalism, also removed a couple of clearly NPOV angled wordings. Also nerfed the section of self-glorification where it claims to be the worlds first racist game. The same sentence that listed a group of games of racist purpose that existed clearly decades before this game did.

I'm going to clean up a little bit more, but it's three am so I won't be doing massive amounts on my before-bed rounds; I've got a strong feeling that this article ISN'T actually NPOV focused against the owners of the game, but POV angled BY the owners of the game to sensationalise it more. Such as obviously emotive and inciteful anti-game angles like pointing out it has 'stereotypes'. I mean duh, it's a racist game, we figured that from the get go. If someone who disliked the owners game added that section, my apologies, but .. duh. If the owner added that, double duh and nice attempt to highlight the obvious to fit in more keywords and sensationalism. 211.30.71.59 13:35, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Do you feel better now? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.67.229.167 (talk • contribs)

[edit] Not notable???

Since when is a made by white supremacists, for white supremacists, not notable??? Its like the only true racist game!! Did someone put that up cause they feel the subject is too sensitive or some BS like that?? Come on!!!!

It's also notable due to it being the first commercially released white supremacist game. If that's not notable I don't know what is. 71.237.0.144 (talk) 19:54, 31 May 2008 (UTC)