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[edit] Marlbank

Hi there, I've removed the line in the biog relating to 'Marlbank', as the house was infact formely in Rainbow Hill in Worcester, rather than Malvern. Sadly it was demolished in the 1960s and replaced with some rather tasteless flats now known as 'Elgar Court'. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kiwizzarrd (talk • contribs) .

[edit] See alsos

Since the articles on Charles Villiers Stanford, Gustav Mahler... as presently constituted don't say much useful about Elgar, removing them from the list is a good idea. They should, unfortunately, or this article should- or something; the composers interacted in important manners while alive. Mahler conducted Sea Pictures in the 1910-11 season ([1]), for instance. (All three, if memory serves; Mahler and Stanford certainly, Mahler conducting Stanford's 3rd and 4th symphonies for example. I think Martucci was very familiar with Elgar's music, but would have to do research for details.) Schissel-nonLop! 16:13, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Currency

He is on £20 notes... where would you include that in the article? 'Elgar' is a slang term for a twenty pound note.

I've edited this as they've replaced him with a Scot, of all things, in the 150th anniversary of his birth. Disgraceful if you ask me.TPD
Shameful indeed. I've removed some of the detail about Adam Smith to keep the focus on Elgar himself. -- Jmc 01:00, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Popular song

It's amazing what Wikipedia sometimes turns up. A question at the Science Ref Desk about whether the world could be repopulated if there were only one man and woman left alive, led me to check out the song "If You Were The Only Girl In the World", where I read that Edward Elgar called it "the most perfect tune ever". It needs a citation, so I've tagged it. Do any Elgarophiles know of this opinion, as I've never heard of it. Would this merit inclusion in Elgar's own article? JackofOz 02:02, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Choral Works

I noticed that a section is provided for Elgar's music for chorus and orchestra, but what about his music written mostly for choir? What I mean is, where would music like "The Snow," which was written for a women's choir, two violins, and a piano be placed? I notice that it is not mentioned in the article and would like to include it, but am not sure whether to start a new category or to place it into the existing "Works for chorus and orchestra" section. 67.150.218.61 09:29, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Maybe rename the current Works for Chorus and Orchestra section as Large-Scale Choral Works, and add a new Chamber Choral Works section? Barnabypage 14:16, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi I just added a recording of his The Snow - I hope you like it Dwsolo 09:13, 5 July 2007 (UTC)dwsolo

[edit] Sea Pictures poems

Someone is proposing to delete the articles on the five poems that make up Sea Pictures:

If you have views on these proposals, please make them known on relevant discussion page: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sea Slumber Song

Jonathan Luckett 19:45, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Daughter

The article mentions his wife, but not his daughter, Carice, born shortly after they moved to London. Carice married Samuel Henry Blake, I believe, and became Carice Elgar Blake (not sure if it's hyphenated). This seems to be an omission, but I'm not near a source I can check the details on right now... Mooncow 00:11, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wiki Policy on links to recordings

Note to moderators:

I just added a recording to The Snow. I trust this is within wikipedia's policy in that it is uploaded to wikipedia's store and not a link to a website? Dwsolo 09:16, 5 July 2007 (UTC)dwsolo

[edit] Extra brother or just one with two names?

An editor has added an extra brother, Jo. Looking at The Life of Elgar Jo just seems to be a diminutive for Frederick Joseph, who appears to be already listed in the article as Frederick. Cam someone with a reliable source please check and clarify? Nunquam Dormio 08:29, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Michael Kennedy identifies the seven Elgar children as: Jo, Frank, Dorothy, Edward, Harry, Lucy, and Susannah, hence the change I made. Scotwriter 22:14, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
No. After your edits, the article stated "four brothers, Henry, Frederick, Jo, and Francis, and two sisters, Lucy and Susannah". So Frederick / Jo was double-counted and Dot omitted. Michael Kennedy lists the siblings as Henry John (Harry) (15 October 1848–5 May 1864), Lucy Ann (born 29 May 1852), Susannah Mary (Pollie) (born 28 December 1854), Frederick Joseph (Jo) (born 28 August 1859), Francis Thomas (Frank) (born 1 October 1861), and Helen Agnes (Dott or Dot) (born 1 January 1864). (Michael Kennedy The Life of Elgar) hence the change I made. Nunquam Dormio 05:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

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