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[edit] "created by" Roddenberry?

Gene Roddenberry died 6 years before the pilot was screened. I wonder to what extent this was 'created' by him. Morwen 20:21, Dec 24, 2003 (UTC)

I seem to recall hearing that the plot for the pilot episode was written by Gene Roddenberry, however the following episodes were written by other people. I could be wrong, though. Mike Peel 07:48, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Variously explained as Majel Roddenberry collecting source material together after Gene's death (including a pilot script) Voideater 21:08, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Taelons on VfD

nb, newly created article Taelons is on VfD. Could someone who's actually watched enough of this stuff for it to make sense pop by that article and improve it a bit. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 11:56, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Move the "List of Episodes" to this page

Wouldn't it be a good idea to move the list of episodes here? Or is this uncommon in the english wikipedia? -- 80.238.207.152 08:48, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I don't know if there is an official policy, but I've generally found that episode lists are kept separate to keep page size down, especially if they add little to main article. Perhaps a more prominant link to the list of episodes would be in order? --Lox (t,c) 12:10, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Atavus or Avatus?

In the Season 5 section it is spelled both ways numerous times, such as from this excerpt:

...Atavus chambers, fighting off the Avatus...

Which one is it? Someone please correct and provide a source.

It is Atavus. The series itself is the source ("Avatus" is not used at all in the series), but this page shall do: http://www.efc.com/episodes/ep501.html Luis Dantas 12:37, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

--Ihmhi 05:10, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

There were two "atavus" on E:FC. As I recall Da'an turns into one for a time in one episode. Then when they just turned around the whole story, the Taelons dissapear and the "atavus" race appears, which seems totally different from the previous "atavus", which only adds to the confusion.Tuxley 08:47, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Actually three versions - Season 2 shows one as the result of a Taelon being separated from the Commonality, Season 4 shows one as a (temporary) melding of a Taelon and a Jaridian, and Season 5 shows an "ancient colonial" version Voideater 21:08, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of quote box

As requested by FrankWilliams in the page history, I'm putting this comment here to explain my removal of the quote box containing the season 1 introduction to the show from the top of the page (this time - the previous times it was removed by Otto4711). There are three reasons for this.

  • First, I've just rearranged the page a fair bit, and have moved the introductions to each of the seasons to the start of the sections on those seasons - this means that they are closer to the top, and thus will be read by the reader earlier.
  • Second, the 'setting' section gives a much better introduction to the show than the 'official' introduction - it explains the back story better, and explains exactly who the 'they' is in 'Three years ago they came'. The 'official' introduction did this by displaying images of the Taelons.
  • Finally (and thirdly), having a quote box in the centre of the page, with an infobox to the right and text to the left, just seems un-wikipedian to me.

Mike Peel 07:57, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Citation Explaination

The statement: The distributer of these DVDs, ADV Films, currently only has the DVD rights for these seasons; they have made the statement that "negotiations are underway for the remaining seasons". was made by me FrankWilliams from a phone conversation with ADV Films. FrankWilliams 19:43, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dates?

Did the series ever establish when it was set apart from "in the 21st century" or "in the new millenium"? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 218.214.143.84 (talk • contribs) 6:45, 14 July, 2006 (UTC).

No Voideater 21:08, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
The smart and cunning viewer will discover that the series must be set around 2010 to 2015. Why? Boone is around forty years old. He was around his mid to late teens in the mid to late 80s. So he was born in the early 70s. Thus 2010 to 2015 ish. - Augur —Preceding unsigned comment added by Augur (talk • contribs) 05:48, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 60 min.?

How long are the episodes? I assume that there are ads and episodes aren't really an hour long like the infobox says. --Arctic Gnome 21:25, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ra'jel

I don't think Ra'jel needs to be added to the main page. Logic is that other characters have their own articles such as: Da'an, Zo'or, and Juda. If no one objects after a reasonable amount of time I propose the merge statement in the main article be removed. FrankWilliams 14:39, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Keep - While the Ra'Jel article is sparse, it should have its page per other similar subjects and potential reference-ability Voideater 21:08, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Originally set in the Star Trek universe?

We're having a discussion over at the Andromeda (TV series) talk page about how that series was supposedly planned to be set in the Star Trek universe by Roddenberry, but was altered to be non-Trek by the producers after his death. I say "apparently" because neither of us has a source handy for this assertion; just our memories (which I must say are VERY vivid, because I remember thinking "Wow, that would've been awesome! The last ship in Starfleet running around, trying to save the tattered remains of the Federation... Why the hell did they change it?!"

Anyway, this other guy also claims reading the same thing about Earth: Final Conflict. While I don't see how this would have worked (how could the Taelons--or their Star Trek-universe equivalents--POSSIBLY be retconned into the Star Trek universe? Would they bring in a new race or use an existing race, e.g. the Vulcans? Either way, they would've had to completely reboot the entire franchise.), it's still interesting and worthy of mention, in my opinion. At the very least, it merits a few lines in the "trivia" section. I'm especially curious as to why both series were altered to be non-Trek, apparently against Roddenberry's original intentions, and then were plastered with Roddenberry's name in an attempt to retain the Trek connection.

So... does anyone have any sources for this? Is it actually true? Are we delusional? Is it an urban legend?

Google is being shockingly unhelpful today. --Lode Runner

Have no info on retcon, reboot or production notes; highly unlikely EFC could be made over into the ST franchise due to competing ownership of intellectual property Voideater 21:08, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
...I'm not sure why people keep misunderstanding this point. We're not arguing that either show, in their current forms, has anything to do with Star Trek, nor that they could be retconned/rebooted to be in the Star Trek universe (though an entirely new show based on Roddenberry's ORIGINAL Trek-based vision might work, that's beside the point.) What we are saying is that, according to our memories, Andromeda and/or EFC were ORIGINALLY set in the Star Trek universe by Roddenberry and were subsequently de-Trekified after his death. If this is true, I think it's interesting enough to merit inclusion in both articles. I've done extensive Googling but so far have come up with nothing to support our memories, but I'm still far from convinced that I'm hallucinating the entire thing. Unfortuately, there are several non-Andromeda (the TV show) related Trek products out there that nonetheless have "Andromeda" in their title (Star Trek: Andromeda, Andromeda Trek RPG, etc.) and it seems as though "star trek", "star trek universe", etc. is mentioned on virtually EVERY SINGLE PAGE that mentions EFC, though not one of them mentions the possibility of EFC originally being set in the Trek universe. -Lode Runner 22:17, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I have found no evidence that suggests Andromeda or EFC were intended to be part of the ST "universe". The articles I have read refer to EFC as being another series idea, not a spin-off or continuation of ST, and in this way is similar to Genesis II, The Questor Tapes and Spectre. ST's initial lack of commercial success at a large scale and Roddenberry's pattern of creating divergent productions suggest that EFC (and by extension Andromeda) were envisioned as independent productions. Voideater 23:08, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
From what I remember this is indeed true, on both counts. Consider these two species, the Taelons and the Perseids. Both are logical, scientific, and superior seeming. Both are Earth's first contact with aliens. Does this sound vaguely Star Trek like? It should. It's the Vulcans. The notes about the Taelons were originally undoubtedly meant to be about the Vulcans, who just like the Taelons have split from their less rational less spiritual savage brethren (Romulans/Jaridians). Obviously being different series, and being developed just from story notes into a divergent reality, we don't see a perfect resemblance, but it's there, if you look. You can see the remnant of vague ideas that G.R. had about the history of the human race and its first interactions with aliens (humans and taelons being necessary for one another's survival, humans and vulcans at first being on not-so-easy ground but eventually becoming the close core of the federation). The same is somewhat true in Andromeda, too, tho less so indeed. No, Gene never intended what became E:FC nor Andromeda, but he never intended them to be separate universes either, so really it's not surprising that the stories are separate. - Augur

[edit] Quote Boxes

I'd like to see quote boxes around the opening narration intro just prior to the each of the season intros. It has been proposed that this leaves too much white space but having viewed the page in both Internet Explorer and the Firefox browser I don't see excessive white space. Furthermore I think the boxes make the intro's stand out and it helps separate each of the season summaries. FrankWilliams 17:01, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] official website

I am going to remove the link on the article page to the official website since it has been down since early march and as such is leading to a blank page, if the page returns feel free to put it back on but for now I don't see any reason for it to be there. Doctoroxenbriery (talk) 02:17, 1 May 2008 (UTC)