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>Dragon Quest I was originally developed for the MSX computer system and later ported to a less advanced system, the NES. No. Dragon Quest was originally developed "Family Computer" in Japan(=NES). after Family Compueter, MSX version was developed.

The series is very popular in Japan, to the point that queues of people wishing to buy the game could be seen at shops days before the release. As this included children, who skipped school so they could queue for the game, the Japanese Diet passed a bill outlawing the release of Dragon Quest games on days other than a Sunday or a holiday - the fourth, fifth, and sixth installments were released in Japan on holidays. The seventh installment is the first Dragon Quest game to be released in Japan on a Sunday.

This is a wide spread myth. While there was no actual law, the Diet DID request that Enix only release new installments on weekends. -DaimaouSaro

Are you serious about it ? Taw 13:20, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)

> Yeah, as crazy as it may appear, that's true. The Dragon Quest series is really a major cultural thing in Japan: a new word used in the series was put into japanese dictionnary (can't remember the one though, something like 'hoimi' which means 'Cure'), there is also a story about DQ main theme becoming the Japanese students official anthem or something like that!!

Dragon Quest is my favorite video game series. It has the most personality out of any series I have ever played--Saro 05:50, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I have never seen any verification for two of the common rumors that are associated with Dragon Quest: 1. "Hoimi" (the name of the first cure spell) appeared in Japanese dictionaries. None of the major Japanese dictionaries I have ever looked at contain this word, and I've never heard any more details of this.

2. It is illegal to release a Dragon Quest game on a weekday. Can someone provide some proof of this? It would be nice to have on the page. Chris Kern 08:00, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that the thing about Dragon Quests being released only on holidays by law is an urban myth, but it's sort of hard to get information about for whatever reason.

I don't know how this is usually handled for series, but concerning pages for individual entries in the series: are they really necessary? I ask this having created one myself, but it doesn't seem to add anything new, really. I've got two theories about how these pages would be best handled.

A) Merging them with the main DQ article by adding any information they might have that the main article doesn't, then having each different game in the series redirect to the main DQ page.

B) Relocating the information on individual games to their respective articles, so that the main DQ article is concerned mostly with the history, details, etc. of the series as a whole.

I can think of pros and cons for either way. Personally I think the second option is preferable, because just because a game belongs to a larger series doesn't mean it should get a respectable article of its own. But I'd like to see what other people thought about this. Zincomog 13 Apr 2005

  • Agree with your suggestions. This article needs to be change. It should be like the current Final Fantasy article. Just a game list article. Too many redundant articles and information. --Chill Pill Bill 03:41, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
    • I just now got around to looking at the DQ pages again. You did a fine job reorganizing everything. Thanks! Zincomog 18:28, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

I think that we should rename this page to "Dragon Quest series". This page is really about the series and not about the first Dragon Quest game. Of course, "Dragon Quest" should still redirect to "Dragon Quest series", but having the new name on top of the article makes more sense IMO. --Greyhawk0 08:10, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

  • Follow up: Heck, even "Dragon Quest (series)" would be of use. --Greyhawk0 08:12, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
    • I disagree. People looking for "Dragon Quest" are more likely to be looking for information on the series, rather than on a specific, twenty year old game. The first game can be named something like "Dragon Quest (video game)" to disambiguate, but keeping this article where it is makes information access easier, IMO. – Seancdaug 11:58, 7 October 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Puff-puff

Puff-puff is in the later games, and it refers either to rubbing a woman's breasts, or getting two slimes rubbed on your head.

The slimes getting rubbed on your head is a joke specific to DQVIII. The characters don't realize that its only slimes. They think its actually breasts.

"Puff puff" or (as it is known in japanese) "Pafu-Pafu" is a running gag in both Dragon Quest and Dragon Ball that implies touching or rubbing breasts and NOT oral sex.

It is started by Akira Toriyama, the mangaka who wrote the Dragon Ball series (later adopted into the Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z animated series), and the character/monster designer for the whole Dragon Quest series. It can be found in the earlier chapters of Dragon Ball with scenes involving Roshi.

EDIT: BTW, an example of this can be found in the japanese version of the Dragon Ball series. There is an old man character named Roshi who often tries to fondle (or as he calls it "pafu pafu") the breasts of female characters in the series.

[edit] Slimes

There's a fair bit of information about the Dragon Quest Slimes on the Slime page. Should the more in-depth information be moved here? Fortis 23:16, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] character classes

I think the page should mention the different classes that come up in the different games. I don't know of any other Rpgs off the top of my head that let you play as a Goof-Off, for example. ( I know the goof-off class appears in 3 and 6 , and probably others, too? )

Only DQIII, DQVI, and DQVII has character classes. They should be mentioned in their respective pages.

[edit] Captain N

Captain N links here. Could someone give more detail how the game apperead/was referenced in that show? Sign your contributions, whoever you are.

An episode of the first season was loosely based on the original Dragon Warrior. Kouban 07:53, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors

I've added this newly announced game to the list of titles, although it might not be a "Flagship title". Feel free to move it to a more appropriate location. jaco♫plane 22:00, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nintendo-Playstation

Why are the current ones (VI-VII) moved to the Playstation system?

It is a business and creative decision. Similar to Final Fantasy series, the PlayStation had a larger user base in Japan and if you have played Dragon Quest/Warrior VII then you know it has spanned to multipie CDs despite having few movie files compare to Final Fantasy VII. Dragon Quest VII was a long game. BTW, Dragon Quest VI was for the Super Famicom/Nintendo. I think you just missed an extra Roman numerial. --Who What Where Nguyen Why 17:28, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Exact dates

Saying that Yuji Horii created Dragon Quest "in the mid-80s" is a bit vague. When was the first game released? --Navstar 18:49, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Titles

Wai, I don't think that's really important, but DQ VIII wasn't released as "Journey of the Cursed King" in europe. The subtitle was translated in the different languages. I'm German and we only know "Dragon Quest ~ Die Reise des Verwunschenen Königs", yupyup ^o^"

[edit] Anime

Back during the day, sometime in 1991 or before that, Akira Toriyama created three Dragon- titled anime. Dragon Ball, Dragon Quest, and Dragon Warrior. Can anybody provide links or information to these? -Izaak -Oh sorry, didn't see the links. -Izaak

Akira Toriyama did not create any of these anime - he created the Dragon Ball manga in 1984, which was later adopted by Toei the anime studio into the Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z anime in later years. The other two based on Dragon Quest have even less involvement from him...he only did the character designs and nothing else. - Aresmo 21:24, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Basic Gameplay

The top and middle portions of Basic Gameplay needs to be rewritten, the content is very poorly written, vague and not very accurate. I've cleaned up the lower portion.

-Wikiwhat?

[edit] Japanese law urban legend

The article flatly stated "There is a Japanese federal law stating that the Dragon Quest games can only be released on Saturday or Sunday, so as to avoid tens of thousands of work and school-related absences nationwide." This statement was backed up using this reference, but IGN is not known for careful research and I see no reason to take its word on Japanese law. This smells fishy; the Japanese Wikipedia says that Dragon Quest is normally sold on weekends but there is no mention of a law enforcing it. Unfortunately I cannot confirm that the law definitively does not exist either, or I would state in the article that the claim is a common urban legend. For now I have deleted it. Redquark 21:19, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I found a source backing up this urban legend [1]. It doesnt mention a law, but it says that, because of complaints, Enix changed its policy. If no one has a problem with it, I'll put it back in the article. Evaunit666 05:51, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Dragon Quest founded

Wikipedia:WikiProject Dragon Quest has been founded. I hope many will contribute :) Siyavash 17:25, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merchandise

I suggest we mention the various merchandise that were made for Dragon Quest. They range from plushies and keychains, to T-shirts and quilts. Merchandise bear significant impact on the "real world." --Rika95 01:28, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalized

Well currently the article doesn't mean anything just a spam-page as of when im typing this someone revert it please 208.192.71.106 13:23, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] English titles?

I thought it was common practice to use the official english titles within the english wikipedia(section ect), instead of listing the original japanese game title, and then stating the english title. I note this only for Dragon Quest 8, where it seems it's listed as "journey of the cursed king" in both american, and Pal regions. - Dan

That is the english title, the japanese one is "Sora to Umi to Daichi to Norowareshi Himegimi". Icecypher 22:26, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Remakes

According to: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=175724 DQ IV, V and VI are being remade for Nintend DS. (Jon Choo 19:23, 30 July 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Merge with Torneko: the last hope

That tags been there for awhile and no ones said anything. I added some stuff to the torneko page and im still working on it, so i dont think they should be merged. Evaunit666 04:25, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

So would anyone mind if i got rid of the tags? Also, one of the Torneko games links back to this page. I was thinking about making a separate page for that game. Any thoughts? Evaunit666 00:24, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dragon Quest books

Dragon Quest e no Michi-anyone heard of that? I'm thinking about putting it in the main article. Evaunit666 02:32, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

It covers the development of the first game only, but gets pretty in-depth. I don't have a scanlation or .pdf, sorry.(Fossilgojira (talk) 03:20, 4 June 2008 (UTC))

[2]- just something ill add later. Evaunit666 02:18, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good Article?

Close maybe? any suggestions on improving the article would be appreciated! Evaunit666 03:06, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good Article Status

The article is looking good! The editors have done a decent job of noting all of the necessary features in both the original culture and in later ones--there are separate entries for both the original Japanese and the American releases.

Breaking the article into sections for each of the story arcs that is found within the series was also a good idea. That will give readers an idea of the structure of the series, while giving them the opportunity to focus on one or more games as they wish.

A large chunk of the article is a list of the games in the series with their titles in different languages. Breaking this into the story arcs might be a good idea as it will add to the structure of the article. Putting in a small amount of information on each game will help readers to recognize which games they might want to focus on, while not revealing all of the details of each installment; the article does an overall positive job on this task.

Adding sections on the development and reception of the series as a whole adds to the richness of the information, and qualifies it--the article is not just a listing of games for fans, but can be used to critically examine the series's place in two distinct cultures.

There is one small area of concern in the "Loto" section of the page--there is a reference that is throwing off the width of the page. This should be taken care of as soon as possible to minimize the structural issue.

Overall, the article's prose is developed enough to warrant Good Status, though it is not enough to get reach the higher ranks within Wikipedia's guidelines. The editors are advised to check the grammar of the article in certain places, and to use prose that is a bit more accessible to the general public. As a gamer, I can understand the terms in the article, but someone with no outside knowledge of video games might have trouble wading through the information without help.

The article does have a neutral tone, which adds to its scholarly appearance. There do not seem to be any ongoing problems between the article's main editors, or any original research. The article is well-referenced, and there are no visible problems with the validity of the cited information, ie, no made-up citations, etc.

Unless the admin have any particular issues with the article, I think it can be labeled with Good Status, and, pending further development, could reach the higher levels.--Bakuen Goka 02:40, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Disputing the fanpatch legality

This has been untested, but probably would not pass in a court of law. However the statement makes it sound as though it already has been decided. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jinnai (talk • contribs) 05:17, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

what statement are you refering to, exactly? Evaunit♥666♥ 01:37, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
First paragraph on "Outside Japan" talks about fan translations. Like I said, the paragraph imo just makes it sound like the matter has already been settled in court, which it hasn't. I have no qualms with a statement that would probably not pass in court. Specifically the part saying it is "technically illegal".Jinnai (talk) 08:38, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I see what you're saying, though I'm not sure what to change it to. I'm thinking you should edit it to what you think sounds right. Evaunit♥666♥ 01:29, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Updated.. Hope that sounds neutral enough.Jinnai (talk) 04:27, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
looks good to me. Evaunit♥666♥ 01:21, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dragon Warrior IV - Dragon Quest IV?

Now that DQIVDS has been announced for an English release (under the title "Dragon Quest IV: Chapters of the Chosen"), should we call it "Dragon Quest IV"? - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:33, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I'd only use Dragon Quest when talking about the DS version and still use Dragon Warrior for the NES one. Evaunit♥666♥ 01:00, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
The Final Fantasy community established that the name can change to its current official title based on official re-releases of the game using that title. They aren't separate games - DQIVDS is a straight remake. Ton of expansion, but nothing like Metroid: Zero Mission or Sword of Mana. The official name for this game in the series is now DQIV, so I think the title should reflect as such. - A Link to the Past (talk) 01:14, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
ALTTP is right, the requirement is that the official title be English, not necessarily that it covers all the different versions. I think the article's name should eventually be Dragon Quest IV: Chapters of the Chosen... but should we wait for Square Enix's official announcement first? The title has been trademarked and is used by the ESRB, but I don't think the link between the game and that title is official yet (Wikipedia is not a "crystal ball"). Kariteh (talk) 07:45, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Well, it's a DS game, and regardless, the fact that SE registered DQIV means they intend on using it as the official name. ESRB has been used as a source before. But anyway, I think it should just be Dragon Quest IV, if only to avoid confusion. - A Link to the Past (talk) 19:59, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
What confusion? I think it should be the full title, on the contrary, so as to maintain coherence with the other DQ articles (they all have the full subtitles). Besides, "Chapters of the Chosen" is apparently just a translation of the Japanese subtitle, although not exactly literal. Kariteh (talk) 21:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
I can't agree. In this situation, having been released originally w/o a subtitle would make it confusing to those who played the NES version. - A Link to the Past (talk) 23:58, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
If you're going to change it to Dragon Quest, you might as well put in the full title while you're at it. Why wouldn't you? The other articles have the full titles where applicable and you're trying to keep everything standardized. Evaunit♥666♥ 01:22, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Fine. - A Link to the Past (talk) 01:28, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Besides, it was released originally with a subtitle, "Michibikareshi Monotachi", so I don't see what's your point exactly. Kariteh (talk) 10:02, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
I SAID fine. Is there any reason you're dragging out this ended discussion? - A Link to the Past (talk) 16:51, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
No reason not to be civil : ) We're here because we all like DQ and want to contribute to Wikipedia. Evaunit♥666♥ 00:33, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
There's no reason to continue a completed discussion. - A Link to the Past (talk) 01:38, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

On a related note, I've created a Dragon Quest VI: The Realms of Reverie page to make the eventual move easier (it already links to Maboroshi no Daichi). Yellow Mage (talk) 09:48, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Move Dragon Warrior Monsters (video game) to Dragon Warrior Monsters.

It's not really a case of "replacing the series article with the first game", it's more like replacing a redirect to the series article with the first game. - A Link to the Past (talk) 02:31, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Itadaki Street?

Does anybody with more knowledge about Itadaki Street want to put in a section about the DQ related Itadaki Street games? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.160.98.31 (talk) 21:11, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

That is something to look into. Is anyone knowledgable on the series? Evaunit♥666♥ 23:52, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I added a sentence about Itadaki Street to the end of the first paragraph in the Spinoffs section, with a link to the Itadaki Street page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.160.98.31 (talk) 16:02, 4 June 2008 (UTC)