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[edit] Keep up the good work

I see that you have been creating multiple films for some of our older actors. Keep up the good work. I just want to remind you that every time that you add a new film, please add the {{Film}} template to the talk page and add the film to the appropriate lists in Lists of films (especially the ones by year and letter). Good luck finishing the rest of the Bowery Boys articles. Nehrams2020 23:48, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi Donaldd23, since you are at it and doing a really great job, can you add ", starring Bud Abbott and Lou Costello" after each of their films, please? Thanks. Hoverfish 20:21, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome

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[edit] Class assessment

Hi Donaldd23, Thanks for your contribution in the Abbott and Costello series. I was just going through started film articles and noticed you have given "start" for Abbott and Costello Meet the Keystone Kops. Actually this is a stub. I will mark it so, but if you think I am wrong, please let me know. Hoverfish 17:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RE:Trivia cleanup tag

I'm a big believer in converting trivia to prose, so that's why I tagged it as so. See here: Wikipedia:Avoid_trivia_sections_in_articles. A lot of the trivia in Hit the Ice (film) deals with production of the movie, so there could be a separate Production section created. Also, the trivia section is unsourced. Those are the reasons why I put the cleanup tag on there. Please don't take it personally...maintenance tags are there to help increase the quality of an article. Gzkn 00:50, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Addendum: Looking through the history, I see you're the main contributor. Great job with the article so far! Gzkn 00:51, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Abbott and Costello

Hi, thanks for the heads-up. That'll teach me to start a new category at 2 in the morning! Mallanox 02:03, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

That would be very helpful. Thanks very much. Mallanox 02:05, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks very much for your help with this. Re-catting is pretty dull but it's much quicker with two! Mallanox 02:23, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Artists and Models

Sorry, but IMDb is NOT a reliable source... it's totally made up of secondary and tertiary+ sources. And it's clearly NOT Stewart in the film, but I wanted to give anyone who had a source otherwise the benefit of the doubt.

The Conquest of Space model, however, is just an emperical fact. If you want two screenshots side-by-side as a source, I can do that. Both were Paramount films, and it happens to be a prop from the department.

As for the McLaine thing, I'm trying to clean the page up to look half way encyclopedic. It's not trivia (ie. "little known, yet interesting minutiae") about the film, it just happens to be the first film with her association with Dean Martin, who she later ran around with during the Rat Pack years.

I'd like to resolve this, and make the page much more detailed than it is, as the film had a checkered production. - The Photoplayer 18:57, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Bud Abbott

Donaldd23, All Abbott and Costello books support Bud Abbott's birth as 1895. I have all of their books and they all say the same thing. Here is another source: http://www.louandbud.com/ASP/one.asp

Betty Abbott, Bud's wife was interviewed for Chris Costello's book and she stated in that book his birth was 1895. I have obituaries that support 1895 also.

                                                                 Ken

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kepittman (talk • contribs) 02:38, 4 April 2007 (UTC).

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[edit] Mattingly

Your edit here was not a vandalism revert. The various fan pages and a website selling T-shirts aren't encyclopedic. IrishGuy talk 01:49, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

@ Donaldd23: As other people seem unlikely to take the time to politely point out Wikipedias policy change regarding fan sites, I thought I would do so here. There is no longer an allowance for a single fansite on a Wikipedia entry. Not a change I support, but that is the current state of the guidelines.Theplanetsaturn 03:19, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi again. The alteration was at WP:EL. There used to be a disclaimer in that section that would allow for one fansite. As of last November or so, that disclaimer was removed. I only just discovered this change to the rules yesterday myself so I can't really say why it disappeared.Theplanetsaturn 17:42, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Money from Home

According to this [1] there are no other redirects involved other than the one that was created by the move, and there's none to that (i.e. no double redirects). Can you show me what you are referring to? SkierRMH 18:01, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

A bit of looking it appears that you're possibly referring to articles that direct to the 1st page, which redirects to the correct title. Those are 'kosher' and don't need to be fixed. See Wikipedia:Redirect#Don't fix links to redirects that aren't broken. You don't need to go back and fix a single redirect - in fact, it's actually discouraged.
Double redirects Wikipedia:Double redirects are redirects that point to a redirect. For me, the best explanation of the way how to check for this is the manner here Wikipedia:Double redirects#Checking for double redirects.SkierRMH 18:28, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] CopyNight Orlando

Hi Donaldd23! I see you're from Florida. If you're in the Orlando area, please check out this brief survey. I'm looking to start a meet-up of CopyNight, a monthly social discussion of copyright and related issues (like Wikipedia, Creative Commons, and open source). If that sounds neat, please answer this short survey to help with scheduling the event. Thanks! --Gavin Baker 10:40, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis

Not that it makes much difference, but actually Dean Martin's refusal to play a cop in a movie was the last straw that broke the camel's back for the partnership: he flatly refused to appear in a policeman's uniform on film at the time due to personal distaste and a very real fear of what it would do to his image, and Jerry Lewis was adamantly determined to make this particular movie. This information has been all over the place for years and I think Lewis went through it again last year in detail in his book about Martin and Lewis, "Dean and Me." I don't have a copy of the book to make a citation, nor am I particularly interested in what the article for the movie says one way or the other, but this disagreement was indeed the final pivot for breaking up the team. By the way, Lewis's book is so fascinating that it practically reads like a thriller. Martin and Lewis are like the Three Stooges: interesting as they are to watch, they're infinitely more compelling to read about. Skymasterson (talk) 15:53, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Martin and Lewis

Thanks, Donaldd23, for being so delightfully open-minded! I noticed on your User Page that you're interested in Leo Gorcey. I want to recommend Kliph Nesterall's website to you (google "Kliph WFMU" or paste in http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/listener_kliphs_posts/index.html for a wealth of excellent articles, including some mentions of Gorcey and a link to Gorcey's last radio interview somewhere. In the column on the old "Whatever Became of..." series, there's a line or two about Gorcey from one of the books: Asked what he does with his time he said recently that he thoroughly enjoys his outdoor life and liquor ... When the New York boy who hadn't been in his hometown in over twenty years visited Manhattan in 1968, his clothes were so outlandish he was refused service in a neighborhood bar. Nowadays he just makes a joke of it and goes on his way without bothering to show them the loaded revolver he keeps tucked inside his belt.

Another site I really like is Mark Evanier's POVonline.com and his blog newsfromme.com (the only blog I look at practically every day).

Oh god, you're going to love Jerry Lewis's book. I guess it's my favorite show business autobiography aside from Chaplin's, which is an absolute masterpiece. Also, take a look at Peter Bogdanovich's interview book with Orson Welles called This Is Orson Welles if you haven't already done so. By the way, speaking of strange occurrences, did you know that my favorite actor Wallace Beery and eventual James Bond movie producer Cubby Brocolli beat original Three Stooges boss and organizer Ted Healy (the Three Stooges' act was called "Ted Healy and His Stooges" when they broke into movies with films like Dancing Lady) to death in the parking lot of the Trocadero in 1938? Here's the description of it in Beery's Wikipedia article:

According to E.J. Fleming's book "The Fixers" (about MGM's legendary "fixers" Eddie Mannix and Howard Strickling) Beery, gangster Pat DiCicco, and Albert R. Broccoli (who was also DiCicco's cousin) allegedly beat comedian Ted Healy to death in a brawl. The book went on to claim that Beery was then sent to Europe by the studio for a few months until the heat was off, while a story was concocted for the public that three college students had killed Healy instead. (Immigration records confirm a four-month trip to Europe on Beery's part immediately after Healy's death, ending April 17, 1938.)[1] Oddly, a superb pencil drawing of Beery survives that was drawn on a film set by Healy, an amateur artist as well as the organizer and original leader of the Three Stooges (the act was originally known as "Ted Healy and His Stooges").

By the way, Bob Hoskins played Eddie Mannix in that movie Hollywoodland with Ben Affleck as George "Superman" Reeves. (My own favorite Superman, incidentally, was Kirk Alyn from the original crude serials.) Skymasterson (talk) 19:12, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jerry Lewis interview

Nah, I just happened to watch the interview and put in onto a few of the films that Lewis specifically discusses. Don't know if you've seen it, but it's probably a 2 or 3 hour comprehensive interview that's quite a resource. Did you read his book on Martin yet, by the way?Wastetimer (talk) 20:14, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] More Lewis interview

Actually, I think any Lewis movie probably should feature a link to this interview since it's so comprehensive; it runs for hours and Lewis goes into such depth about how he operates that it would enhance any listing for any of his films. I think it's wrong not to include this particular resource for all his films, now that you mention it, especially since he discusses some aspect of most of them individually. All this is more true for Jerry Lewis movies than would normally be the case for other actors since Lewis was never simply an actor playing a part but made movies that rose from his own peculiar approach to filmmaking and comedy, both of which are discussed in exhaustive detail in this mother of all interviews. If you haven't watched it, Donald, take a couple of hours and see if you don't agree.Wastetimer (talk) 20:31, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] More Jerry interview

Okay, Donald, that's fair enough, I can see your point, although in the case of those Archive interviews, they're so comprehensive that I think they're worth scattering far and wide. If I were looking for information on "My Friend Irma," for example, I'd want that link, then I'd have to look around for a couple of minutes to find which tape Lewis discusses it on (it's pretty easy to guess then fast-forward until you're approaching his film career), but the information I'd find would be sensational (the story of what Lewis went through during the making of that film is incredible and character-defining, as you know). I think you're going to enjoy that interview very much. The Archive of American Television is one of the most fantastic references I've ever seen anywhere. Be sure to go to their home page and scroll down the list to see who else you'd like to watch. Wastetimer (talk) 21:20, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


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