Template talk:Distinguish

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Contents 1 Otheruses templates 1.1 Generic 1.2 Otheruses 1.2.1 Variations 1.2.1.1 For (other topic) 1.2.2 Other people 1.2.3 Other places 1.2.4 Otherhurricaneuses 1.2.5 Otherusesof (topic) 1.3 Redirect 1.4 "Not to be confused with"... 1.5 Notes 2 Rationale for this template 3 Wording 3.1 Summary 3.2 Incompatible wording for Distinguish2 4 Screwed Up 5 More parameters 6 Error in documentation 7 Consistency between 2 templates 8 More on wording 9 TfD notice 10 Documentation 11 edit protected 12 Edit protection request

[edit] Otheruses templates

To discuss these templates as a whole, please see Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation If you wish to discuss general wordings, rather than the wording or formatting of this specific template, don't post here, or else what you say will probably go unnoticed.

For a summary page on how to use these templates, see Wikipedia:Otheruses templates (example usage).

[edit] Generic

• {{Dablink|TEXT}}:
  TEXT

For example, {{dablink|For other senses of this term, see [[etc...]]}}. This template is adaptable, but fails to standardize hatnotes.

• {{Selfref|TEXT}}:

TEXT

(Similar to Dablink, but used for messages that wouldn't make sense on mirrors of Wikipedia, such as a link in the main article namespace that links to one in the Wikipedia namespace. See Wikipedia:Avoid self-references for more details.)

[edit] Otheruses

{{About}} is the main template for giving other uses; it redirects to {{otheruses4}}.

• {{otheruses4|USE1}} (disambiguous):
  This page is about USE1. For other uses, see Distinguish (disambiguation).
• {{otheruses4|USE1|USE2}}:
  This page is about USE1. For USE2, see Distinguish (disambiguation).
• {{otheruses4|USE1|USE2|PAGE2}}:
  This page is about USE1. For USE2, see PAGE2.
• {{About||USE2|PAGE2|USE3|PAGE3|USE4|PAGE4|USE5|PAGE5}} (alias and empty first param):

For USE2, see PAGE2. For USE3, see PAGE3. For USE4, see PAGE4. For USE5, see PAGE5.

• {{otheruses4|USE1|USE2|PAGE2|USE3|PAGE3|USE4|PAGE4|USE5|PAGE5}} (fully specified):

This page is about USE1. For USE2, see PAGE2. For USE3, see PAGE3. For USE4, see PAGE4. For USE5, see PAGE5.

[edit] Variations

There are also variations of {{about}}. These serve the same purpose, and are marginally easier to use for each individual purpose, but overall, it is complicated to have so many different templates; it could be argued that the time saved using them is lost as other editors have to familiarise themselves with them.

All of these templates are special cases of {{about}}.

• {{otheruses}}:
  For other uses, see Distinguish (disambiguation).

Note: {{about}} will produce the same result.

• {{otheruses1|USE}}:
  This page is about USE. For other uses, see Distinguish (disambiguation).

Note: {{about|USE}} will produce the same result.

• {{otheruses2|PAGE}}:
  For other uses, see PAGE (disambiguation).

Note: this simply adds "(disambiguation)" to what you input as PAGE.

• {{otheruses3|PAGE}}:
  For other uses, see PAGE.

Note: {{about|||PAGE}} will produce the same result - note the two empty parameters.

• {{otheruses5}}:
  For other uses, see Distinguish (disambiguation) and Distinguishs (disambiguation).

Note: this is for when there is both a singular and plural disambiguation page; it only works when the plural is formed simply by adding "s" at the end.

• {{otheruses6|PAGE1|PAGE2}}:
  For other uses, see PAGE1 and PAGE2.

Note: this is for when there are two disambiguation pages, such as noun and adjective, or singular and irregular plural. There are only two parameters and at least one is required.
Note: this cannot be recreated with {{about}} - only with {{dablink}} or {{for}}.

• {{This|USE|PAGE}}:
  This page is about USE. For other uses, see PAGE.

Note: {{about|USE||PAGE}} will produce the same result - note the empty parameter.

[edit] For (other topic)

{{for}} (and {{for2}}) can be used instead of {{about}} to not include the first part - "This article is about USE". However, this can also simply be achieved with an empty first parameter in {{about}}.
For example, {{For|OTHER TOPIC|PAGE}} becomes {{About||OTHER TOPIC|PAGE}}.

• {{For}} (disambiguous):
  For {{{1}}}, see Distinguish (disambiguation).
• {{For|OTHER TOPIC}} (disambiguous):
  For OTHER TOPIC, see Distinguish (disambiguation).
• {{For|OTHER TOPIC|PAGE}}:
  For OTHER TOPIC, see PAGE.
• {{For|OTHER TOPIC|PAGE1|PAGE2}}:
  For OTHER TOPIC, see PAGE1 and PAGE2.
• {{For2|OTHER TOPIC|CUSTOM TEXT}}:
  For OTHER TOPIC, see CUSTOM TEXT.

[edit] Other people

• {{otherpersons}} (disambiguous):
  For other persons named Distinguish, see Distinguish (disambiguation).
• {{otherpersons|USE}} (disambiguous):
  For other persons named USE, see USE (disambiguation).
• {{otherpersons|USE|PAGE}}:
  For other persons named USE, see PAGE.
• {{otherpeople2|PAGE}}:
  For other persons of the same name, see PAGE.
• {{otherpeople3|USE1|USE2}}:
  This article is about USE1. For USE2, see Distinguish (disambiguation).
• {{otherpeople4|USE1|USE2|PAGE}}:
  This article is about USE1. For USE2, see PAGE.

[edit] Other places

• {{Otherplaces}}, analogous to {{Otheruses}}

• {{Otherplaces2}}, analogous to {{Otheruses2}}

• {{Otherplaces3}}, analogous to {{Otheruses3}}

[edit] Otherhurricaneuses

For articles on storms.

• {{otherhurricaneuses}} (disambiguous):
  For other storms of the same name, see Distinguish (disambiguation).
• {{otherhurricaneuses|DISAMBIG}}:
  For other storms of the same name, see DISAMBIG.
• {{otherhurricaneuses|DISAMBIG|THIS}}:
  This page is about THIS. For other storms of the same name, see DISAMBIG.
• {{otherhurricaneuses3|USE1|USE2|MAIN}}:
  This article is about the USE1. For the USE2, see the main article, MAIN. For other storms of the same name, see Distinguish (disambiguation).

[edit] Otherusesof (topic)

• {{otherusesof}} (disambiguous):
  For other uses of "Distinguish", see Distinguish (disambiguation).
• {{otherusesof|TOPIC}}:
  For other uses of "TOPIC", see TOPIC (disambiguation).
• {{otherusesof|TOPIC|PAGE}}:
  For other uses of "TOPIC", see PAGE.

[edit] Redirect

• {{Redirectstohere|REDIRECT notice}} (To Document dependent link[s], Template also has a hidden mode, (Set "|hide=true") which enables it to document a section title is a redirect page target section, and so should not be changed.); Some examples:
  REDIRECT redirects here.,
  REDIRECT, Another name and A Foreign name all redirect to here.
  — with a little care, bolding the titled redirects can substitute for awkward phrases involving multiple name forms of the main article title; particularly those of the "also known as varieties"...
  Gustavus II Adolf, Gustav Adolphus II and Gustavus Vasa II of Sweden all redirect to here.
  
  
• {{Redirect|REDIRECT}} (disambiguous):
  "REDIRECT" redirects here. For other uses, see REDIRECT (disambiguation).
• {{Redirect|REDIRECT||PAGE}}:
  "REDIRECT" redirects here. For other uses, see PAGE.
• {{Redirect|REDIRECT|USE|PAGE}}:
  "REDIRECT" redirects here. For USE, see PAGE.
• {{Redirect2|REDIRECT1|REDIRECT2}} (disambiguous):
  "REDIRECT1" and "REDIRECT2" redirect here. For other uses, see REDIRECT1 (disambiguation).
• {{Redirect3|REDIRECT|TEXT}}:
  "REDIRECT" redirects here. TEXT.
• {{Redirect4|REDIRECT1|REDIRECT2}} (disambiguous):
  "REDIRECT1" and "REDIRECT2" redirect here. For other uses, see REDIRECT1 (disambiguation) and REDIRECT2 (disambiguation).
• {{Redirect6|REDIRECT|USE1|PAGE1|USE2|PAGE2}}:
  "REDIRECT" redirects here. For USE1, see PAGE1. For USE2, see PAGE2.
• {{Redirect6|REDIRECT|USE1|PAGE1||}}

[edit] "Not to be confused with"...

• {{Distinguish|PAGE}}:
  Not to be confused with PAGE.
• {{Distinguish2|TEXT}}:
  Not to be confused with TEXT.

[edit] Notes

Do not use subst: with these templates, as that will prevent:

1. propagating changes as the template is modified; and
2. the What links here (WLH) listing.

Please do not edit these templates unless you know what you are doing

These templates may be used in thousands of articles, and changing the syntax could therefore break thousands of articles. If you wish to edit a disambiguation template first ask yourself:

1. Is there already another template that will do this job? We have lots of disambiguation templates already, see Category:Disambiguation and redirection templates.
2. Do I really need a template for this? Will it ever get used on any other articles, or should I just use {{dablink}} instead?
3. Do I know what will happen if I change the parameters around? Will it break existing uses of the template, and if so, can I fix them all?

[edit] Rationale for this template

• Some articles have deceptively similar names, eg. French Guinea/French Guiana, Plattsburg/Plattsburgh or Ultima Thule (band)/Ultima Thule (rock band). This template could be useful in those cases. Disambiguation pages do not always cover this particularity, and when they do, they are sometimes superfluous. Maybe "Not to be confused with" is better than "Distinguish from". --Ezeu 11:58, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
  • I'd say this is different enough from "otheruses' to be a useful addition to the range of templates, but I'd prefer "Not to be confused with". I can think of several more obvious places, like like the two Frank Lampards (father and son) who have played football for England, or cricketers Herbert Sutcliffe and Bert Sutcliffe, or Azerbaijan and Azarbaijan, or.... Grutness...wha? 12:48, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
    • Changed to "Not to be confused with". It was my first choice anyway. --Ezeu 13:14, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
      • I think "Not to be confused with" is ugly and often wrong for the articles in which this is used. Is this some kind of regional expression that means something different to some other people than it means to me? I'd limit this to cases such as "French Guinea" and "French Guiana", distinct things where neither term is legitimately used when the other is meant. I don't think it is the appropriate terminology when the term it is being distinguished from is also a legitimate term for the article in which this appears. Gene Nygaard 08:39, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
        • This template dismbituates deceptively similar titles. It does not refer to synonyms. --Ezeu 10:04, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
          • Then why is it on Vector Prime to distinguish it from Vector Prime (Transformers), to list just one example? This illustrates a couple of things:
            1. No matter what the creator has in mind, if it isn't explained in the template or its talk page, it isn't going to be followed.
            2. You, and anyone else who interprets it that way, isn't doing a very good job of policing the "What links here" list. Gene Nygaard 20:03, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
            • • I forgot to ask, what template should be used instead, for cases such as "Vector Prime"? That is additional information, which, if it were included on the "See also" line at the bottom of the template page, would help people in choosing the appropriate templage. And, do we really need different templates for those two cases—what purposes might be served by that? Gene Nygaard 13:01, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
        • I do not see the problem. This template is for distinguishing from articles with similar titles (titles that are deceptively similar), but that refer to different subjects. All templates can be misused. This template is a merely a compliment to the templates at Category:Disambiguation and redirection templates, and when it is used inappropriately, one should swap to a more correct template. As for Vector Prime vs Vector Prime (Transformers), template {{for}} or perhaps a regular disambiguation page could be more appropriate as this is a case of two articles with the same (and not merely similar) titles. I'll go ahead and edit both articles appropriately. --Ezeu 17:49, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wording

The good and the bad... I can see how this could be useful, especially for articles with closely worded titles. But I have a problem with the template's wording. The wording is — with all due respect — a grammatical eyesore. It might also be construed as mildly derisive; that is, gently chiding the reader for typing the wrong name.

I believe that the wording should sound as neutral as possible (and should also be grammatically correct, like the wording used in other templates) — perhaps something like:

For a similar name, see [[{{{1}}}]]

-,-~^R'lyehRising~-,- 17:18, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't like "similar name", as not everything is a name. How about:

Distinct from [[{{{1}}}]]

or perhaps,

Sometimes confused with [[{{{1}}}]]

Or if we're willing to be more verbose, something like:

This topic is sometimes mistaken for [[{{{1}}}]]

Or even

For a similarly spelled topic, see [[{{{1}}}]]

It's an awkward thing to come up with a good name for. I agree that the current form is not optimal, though. It doesn't sound very neutral. -- Zawersh 01:35, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

• What about:

  For a similar term, see [[{{{1}}}]]

  or:

  The title of this article is similar to [[{{{1}}}]]

  or:

  Another article has a similar title; see [[{{{1}}}]]

  In any event, I think the wording should be as concise as possible.
  ,-~^R'lyehRising~-, 23:30, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Lets please all think hard about moving forward on this. When I first saw this template, I thought it was vandalized to seem much more informal than it should be. Even something as similar as, "This article is sometimes confused with..." although I think that I prefer any of the above options to the current text. —mako (talk•contribs) 13:42, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Changed to "Articles with similar titles include", similar to the above; this seems to both avoid phrasing this in the negative, and allows a bit of ambiguity about number (one or many alternatives). +sj + 05:05, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Hmm. 'Articles' is a self-ref. I prefer the "more verbose" alternative above, or perhaps 'Topics with similar names...'. Hairy Dude 01:47, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

On second thoughts, I would rather avoid 'topic' or 'article' completely. I just came across the wording change on Malay language; there it now says "Similarly spelled terms include the Malayalam language, spoken in India." I find this wording rather awkward. Hairy Dude 01:52, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Any suggestions of improved alternatives? I think the current text is vastly preferable to old text and slightly better than the alternatives. I'm sure there are great options that haven't been discussed. Personally, I don't think your example from the Malay language article is all that awkward. mako (talk•contribs) 15:59, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I find the current wording far from an improvement.--Ezeu 16:20, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

There's a slight issue with this, in that not all confusions arise due to spelling. For example, "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" is distinguished from "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory" -- one could easily get those names mixed up, but not through a spelling issue. Joe D (t) 17:20, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh, ignore this, it only applies to {{distinguish2}} which wasn't updated. Joe D (t) 17:22, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I suggest "distinguish from". It is consise and to the point. --Ezeu 17:24, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't like the new wording either. "Articles" is not the important thing, nor is it similarity, it's just confusability. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 19:42, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Summary

I agree the current item is imperfect, namely because it's not ideal with a single variable, which is by far the most common usage. Based on the suggestions above and the complaints about them, I think these are the primary ones that fill the criteria of, not containing the word "article", being invariant with 1 or more variables, and not admonishing the reader. Vicarious 22:48, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

1. Distinct from [[{{{1}}}]]
2. Sometimes confused with [[{{{1}}}]]
3. Distinguish from [[{{{1}}}]]

[edit] Incompatible wording for Distinguish2

The current wording of Distinguish2 – "Articles with similar titles include" ... – is not totally compatible with the original wording "Not to be confused with" ... (which was changed 26 April 2007).

The reason is that "Not to be confused with" ... could refer to (the name of) the article, or the topic of the article (the thing the article is about), or both, but "Articles with similar titles include" ... always refers to the article.

In the case of Malay language (talk), this changed:

{{distinguish2|the [[Malayalam language]], spoken in India}}

Not to be confused with the Malayalam language, spoken in India.

which is about the topic of the article (the language),

to:

Articles with similar titles include the Malayalam language, spoken in India.

which states that the Malayalam language is an article which is spoken in India.

Please remember that (the name of) the article and the topic of the article are different things.
--83.253.36.136 14:38, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

• The original complaint was that "Not to be confused with" is grammatically incorrect. In my view that is unnecessary pedantism, as the phrase is widely used[1]. The current wording is not acceptable as it has made this template different from what it was intended to do. I am changing the wording to " Distinguish from ..", and hopefully the grammar pedants will be happy with it. --Ezeu 18:18, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

• This wording seems slightly odd to me... anyone else...?
  Having scanned this thread, "Not to be confused with...", "Sometimes confused with..." and/or "This article is about X..." (i.e. {{This}} and the like) seem adequate, grammatical and in the general style of other inline disambiguation/redirection templates. Regards, David Kernow (talk) 04:09, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

• I think that the original "Not to be confused with ..." worked fine. The current "Distinguish from ..." does not work because it is not even a complete sentence. –Crashintome4196 23:13, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

• I think most would agree that distinguish from is an improvement, I also was okay with not to be confused with, but the current is fine as well. I don't think the disambiguation link needs to be a complete sentence. Vicarious 05:11, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

No one who doesn't already know about this template will know what Distinguish from means; I was very momentarily perplexed despite being pretty familiar with Template:Distinguish. Can we please change it back to something more understandable.

I've read the above discussion and I don't see what was wrong with Not to be confused with exactly stated. The syntax seems fine to me, though it is a fragment (which is even more true of Distinguish from). Also, it is a matter of opinion, but I don't interpret it as non-neutral or commanding (instead realising that is a short way of saying For articles about things referred to by similar wording that may be confused with foo, see bar), but if it is then the same applies to distinguish from but more so. (Consider that distinguishing means not confusing so Distinguish from is equivalent to Don't confuse with which is a more commanding way of saying Not to be confused with.)

Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley _{talk contrib} 23:11, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

I prefer the original "Not to be confused with" to "Distinguish from". "Distinguish from" is too austere; it makes little sense when appearing at the top of an article without further context. Readability shouldn't be sacrificed for grammatical correctness, and "Distinguish from" is still grammatically incorrect anyway, being a sentence fragment.

"Articles with similar titles include" was never appropriate for this particular template; that should be its own template, if it's retained at all.

Can we try "Sometimes confused with" as a compromise for now? Or "Should not be confused with?"--Father Goose 00:30, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I also prefer the original wording for this template. With respect to the original complaint, I haven't found any of the recent changes to be an improvement, and the current Distinguish from seems a bit clumsy to me. I'd be happy with Should not be confused with as suggested by Father Goose above. PC78 16:48, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

• In light of all above, I've set both templates to use "Sometimes confused with" as something less stentorian and non-imperative. Hope most folks happy!  David Kernow (talk) 09:13, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

"Sometimes confused with.." is an assertion, a claim. "Not to be confused with ..." or "Should not be confused with .." is preferable. --Ezeu 10:03, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. "Should not be confused with", pretty please. I don't know for sure that Gordon Park (the murderer) is sometimes confused with Gordon Parks (the photographer), but they certainly should not be confused with each other.--Father Goose 18:57, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay, let's try "Should not be confused with"!  David (talk) 19:26, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Screwed Up

Hi. Something got screwed up with this template. In the past day, it has lost the indent and italics. It looks bad now. Can someone please fix it? Thansk. —Dfass 01:11, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Bypass your cache. — Omegatron 05:44, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. —Dfass 15:56, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More parameters

I have modidied the template so that it will take more than the current two parameters.

Previously it offered:

{{Distinguish|foo|bar}}

Now it can do:

{{Distinguish|foo|bar|something}}

or

{{Distinguish|foo|bar|something|something else}}

--BrownHairedGirl ^{(talk) • (contribs)} 19:55, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

The repeated 'and' is a little awkward. {{main}} and some other templates manage to omit the first; you could copy that code to do it. Hairy Dude 02:35, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Error in documentation

This line of the template code:

<nowiki>{{Distinguish|foo|bar|something}}</nowiki> {{Distinguish|foo|bar}}

should be replaced with this:

<nowiki>{{Distinguish|foo|bar}}</nowiki> {{Distinguish|foo|bar}}

for reasons that I hope are fairly obvious.

—Ruakh_TALK 07:15, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Heh, good catch. Took care of it. – Luna Santin (talk) 08:47, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. :-) —Ruakh_TALK 17:05, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Consistency between 2 templates

Shouldn't Template:Distinguish2 also allow for multiple items seperated with a pipe to ease changing from the normal template and so one doesn't have to come here to check whether and or or is used to seperate the items?

Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley _{talk contrib} 22:35, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Strongly agreed, although it's possible I'm misinterpreting what you're saying. Example of clunky usage (in a case which certainly should mention these other three terms): Sensor, using the template, currently says: "Not to be confused with censure and censer and censor." Gah! Lenoxus " * " 00:02, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] More on wording

"Not to be confused with" is a common phrase without (much) overtone. "Should not" implies reproof, "Do not" is a command. I would prefer wither to go back to the original or use something like "Distinct from" or "Different from". On balance I think that "Not to be confused with" is best. Counter-revolutionary I know. Rich Farmbrough, 19:42 1 June 2007 (GMT).

Good summary. I'll second that; it may not be perfect, but it is the least worst and most concise (short but clear) option. —Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley _{talk contrib} 20:06, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

• Sums up my POV too. Perhaps the consensus is for the previous wording...?  Regards, David Kernow (talk) 20:26, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

• I agree. "Not to be confused with" is the least worst alternative. It is concise, gives the needed information without being patronising. The argument that it is grammatically wrong is unnecessary pedantism. The phrase is widely used [2], and its meaning is clear. "Not to be confused with" is also the version that has been most stable. --Ezeu 20:38, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

• Looks like this discussion is about to come full circle. I'm happy enough with the current version, but I certainly wouldn't oppose a move back to "Not to be". Perhaps it would be an idea to have more than one template for this purpose? PC78 20:46, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
  • I'm strongly opposed to having two templates with identical usage. I'd rather get my second choice than both my first and second. Vicarious 21:49, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
• I'm also ok with the old version, I never thought it sounded condescending, and the current version is imperative which isn't terrible, but I think slightly worse than any faint lingerings of belittlement in the old version. Vicarious 21:47, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

"Not to be" or "should not be" are both fine by me. Or maybe "to be or not to be". The shorter alternatives ("distinguish from", "distinct from"), as I've stated before, lack enough context to make much sense at the top of an article.--Father Goose 01:41, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

• Have restored the previous "Not to be confused with" as there doesn't seem to (have) be(en) consensus to replace it. Regards, David Kernow (talk) 05:45, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

——
A previously unmentioned wording: "Not the same as" ... – not saying it's better, just throwing it out here. --Fyrlander 14:39, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Not bad, but not (in my view) better than "not to be confused with". --Not Father Goose 18:16, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

I hate, hate, hate "not to be confused with", so I do prefer alternatives. Saying topic X is "not to be confused (in the mind of the reader) with" topic Y is still giving the reader advice. It's nearly as grating as "it should be noted that". However, "not the same as" as an alternative seems too mild to me. I'm sorry I don't have anything better to offer, offhand. —mjb 02:01, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm increasingly convinced that the best thing is not to mention confusion at all; just use {{for}}.--Father Goose 04:26, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

"Not to be confused with" sounds ugly. Please change it into "This term/subject/... should not be confused with ..." or something better, a whole sentence in any case. Str1977 ^(talk) 06:53, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] TfD notice

I've nominated the Otheruses templates for discussion on Wikipedia:Templates for deletion. --JB Adder | Talk 14:02, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Documentation

{{editprotected}}

{{documentation}} please 16@r (talk) 23:10, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

OK. Gimmetrow 01:08, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] edit protected

{{editprotected}}

Please remove the period (.) at the end of the sentence for allowing additional text to be put at the end of the template. For example, 'Not to be confused with [[Mail]], a 1976 movie.' Thanks, this should save me some time so I don't always have to subst and manually remove the period each time. -- penubag  (talk) 04:59, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Hm, tricky. The period is standard across most disambiguation templates, it looks like. Depending on the particular scenario you're running into, providing more parameters, using a second disambig template, or even continuing in a second sentence might also work. Is there a particular example of a situation you're having problems with? – Luna Santin (talk) 09:53, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

N Not done I can't think of any situation where it would be appropriate to immediately follow the template with more text anyway. The whole purpose of the template is to eliminate the need for hand-formatted text. Some examples would be helpful. Happy‑melon 10:46, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

*sigh*, subst takes 2 edits to make, but I guess there's no other choice. -- penubag  (talk) 04:15, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

At that point, just indent once, italicize, and write whatever hatnote you like longhand. The hatnote templates are useful shorthand, but only for standard cases.--Father Goose (talk) 07:04, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Edit protection request

{{editprotected}} Please update {{/doc}} with {{documentation}}. Per Wikipedia:Template documentation/List Thankyou -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 05:47, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Appears to use {{documentation}} already. – Luna Santin (talk) 08:42, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Y Done. --David Göthberg (talk) 20:05, 28 April 2008 (UTC)