Talk:Dipsacus

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Anyone got a clear view on whether it should be Fuller's Teasel or Fullers' Teasel? The species epithet looks like a Latin plural genitive to me, but it's not a word I know - and anyway, how is it usually rendered in English? seglea 19:33, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Fuller's Teasel, since the name refers to its use for "fulling", i.e. raising the nap on cloth, used by a "fuller". -- WormRunner | Talk 04:49, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Teasel

This separate page covers the same plants and should be merged - I'll do so in a few days unless there is a consensus not to do so MPF 11:14, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Done - MPF 22:48, 26 August 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Germination

Can someone please state how long teasel seeds take to germinate as I know they do take quite a while? Anyone have the specifics? Maliki-sis 22:36, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dipsacus fullonum vs. Dipsacus sativum

GRIN and NCBI identify "Fuller's teasel" as Dipsacus sativum rather than Dipsacus fullonum. Is there a reason this should not be changed to reflect this? NaySay 17:55, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't know about NCBI, but GRIN was getting the common name citation for D. sativus (there is no D. sativum) from a book published in 1999: "World economic plants: a standard reference." The USDA PLANTS Database lists the plant's common name as Indian teasel. Fuller's teasel is the common name of D. fullonum, as it's named after him. It appears as if D. sativus shares two common names: Indian teasel and Fuller's teasel. I don't think it needs to be changed or else there would be two Fuller's teasels. --Rkitko (talk) 19:13, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Ah, I found the source of the confusion. IPNI states the following:
Treated as Dipsacus sativus in the text on p. 491, but as a subspecies of D. fullonum in the index on p. 697. See comments in Additions and Corrections on p. 680.
It would seem that there's uncertainty surrounding the taxonomy. --Rkitko (talk) 19:24, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks very much for checking into this. Yes, it's sativus of course. [NCBI is the US NIH bioinformatics database. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ ] NaySay 16:22, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Use in Chinese Medicine

Perhaps it would be appropriate to add a specific mention of the uses of Radix Dipsacus Japonicus in Chinese Medicine? It is called "Xu Duan" which means "restore what is broken" and is used in the treatment of fractures and trauma among other things. See: http://tcm.health-info.org/Herbology.Materia.Medica/xuduan-properties.htm http://www.ibiblio.org/pfaf/cgi-bin/arr_html?Dipsacus+japonicus

—Preceding unsigned comment added by BlauNacht (talk • contribs) 16:15, 31 May 2008 (UTC)