Talk:Derry GAA

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I'd suggest that someone in the know would add the full Senior Football and or hurling squad to the page, see Dublin for the used format? Frainc 18:37 22 January 2007

[edit] Londonderry to Derry

While I'm aware of the WP:IMOS and while i genrally agree with it, I think we should make an exception in this case and say it is responsable for GAA in County Derry. I think the vast majority people who are interested in GAA would say Derry and wouldn't be too happy about this saying Londonderry and probably rightly aswell. The H-Man2 19:32, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

No sorry. It's responsible for the organisation of GAA in the county of Londonderry. The GAA may refer to it as Derry, and that's its right, but the county is called Londonderry. This has been gone through many times in man places. Ben W Bell talk 03:20, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Come on it looks a bit ridiculous to say Derry GAA represents County Londonderry. Talk about consistency! The H-Man2 20:33, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Derry GAA covers GAA goings on in the location known as County Londonderry. They may call it County Derry, but the county is called Londonderry and has never been known as County Derry in any official capacity. As you say you've read WP:IMOS. Ben W Bell talk 23:53, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Ben to the point that the county is officially called "County Londonderry" and it IS the county that the Derry Cummann of the GAA represent, however, Ben, you must realise that a significant proportion of the county and indeed country refer to BOTH city and county as "Derry" and as such, since this is a GAA article, most of the readers will be of the nationalist persuasion and of a "Derry" recognition. To cater yet again for both POV's i have edited the ONE INSTANCE of the county name that comes up in this article and for arguments sake, i have referred to the county as County Derry/Londonderry. Now before there is yet another argument, I have put Derry before Londonderry as this is a GAA article and will be read mostly by nationalists.
For future sakes I would like all nationalist and unionist readers to maybe try and refer to the county by both Derry/Londonderry or vice versa depending on what the article is on (weather a nationalist Derry/Londonderry topic, or a unionist Londonderry/Derry topic). By recognising and using BOTH versions of the name,this will show respect to the opinions of your neighbours which may be different to your own. I" know that the county is officially called Londonderry, however please remember this was not by a democratic vote, nor the will of the inhabitants of the county. --  RÓNÁN   "Caint / Talk"  01:49, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
I have now changed it back to County Londonderry. The county is called County Londonderry, it's relatively simple. I may not like it, you may not like it, readers may not like it, but fact is unfortunately fact. We cannot alter and represent these things in ways just because we don't like them. No the county name wasn't decided by democratic vote, it was decided by the government of the land within which it lies. And on Wikipedia we don't use / to show both viewpoints. If you wish to raise this as a conversation topic then please do so on the talk page for WP:IMOS but until there is a community consensus on the MOS page then it must remain County Londonderry. It's not even as muddled as the name of the city debate as there has never in the history of Ireland/United Kingdom/Northern Ireland/Europe been a County Derry, it's simply a name used by some people as they dislike the actual name. Ben W Bell talk 02:19, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Yes Ben I agree with you, the name was decided by the British Government of the time without the will of the people, though this is undemocratic, it remained. It is an unfortunate fact that naming issues with this area is a sore point for both communities, however you must be well aware that on Derry postcards, the term is shown with a "/" to highlight the three used names for the county and city Derry/Londonderry/Doire, and thus I believe that it is a fair compromise for Wikipedia too to stop this pettiness I am seeing on a consistantly on this site and do likewise. My next point is to inform you that you are incorrect in stating that Derry is, "simply a name used by some people as they dislike the actual name." and it is wrong of you to state this as fact. Every county name (in English language) in Ireland is an anglicised word that comes from an Irish word or group of words used to describe the general area given to it by the Gaelic people of that area at that time. When the english introduced their county administrations to the country, they based the county name on the area that it incorporated from the old Gaelic locals. Doire Cholm Chille (Colm Cilles' Oak Wood) was the area that formed county Derry/Londonderry, and thus the name Derry preceeds that of Londonderry. Londonderry only come about when the London livery companies were rewarded by their government of that time for their trade with Derry and thus the London- name was added to it. Look up the history of Derry for further information on this matter. --  RÓNÁN   "Caint / Talk"  18:32, 23 September 2007 (UTC)


Clearly in this article reference should be made to County Derry and not County 'London'derry. 1) County Derry redirects freely to County 'London'derry, a name which is itself just an old relic of the sectarian, oppressive, imperialist regime that has plagued the six counties for the past several hundred years. 2) The first line of the County 'London'derry article begins with: 'County Londonderry or County Derry (Irish: Contae Dhoire) is one of the six counties of Northern Ireland in the province of Ulster in Ireland.'

Thus implying that both County Derry and County 'London'derry are equally acceptable titles for the county. Given that this is an article about GAA in the County of Derry, the rational thing to do is to reference the county as County Derry as this is how the overwhelming majority of the followers of Derry GAA and GAA in general refer to it. ClandestineStoichkov —Preceding comment was added at 20:25, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

We should represent a neutral POV on wikipedia, which I'm sorry to say the above comment does not showing the comment "a name which is itself just an old relic of the sectarian, oppressive, imperialist regime that has plagued the six counties for the past several hundred years". The name of the county in which the Derry GAA organises sports is County Londonderry. Some do indeed call and refer to it as County Derry, but this is something that has no official weight. There has never been a County Derry in the history of Ireland, Northern or otherwise. Since Wikipedia is a neutral encyclopaedia it needs to use actual names. Please try and maintain a neutral perspective on edits to the encyclopaedia. Ben W Bell talk 21:37, 24 October 2007 (UTC)


There is absolutely nothing 'neutral' about the term 'London'derry. What counts as official weight? The consensus reached amongst the master race protestant unionist ascendancy class? The position of the British government? This is an article about Derry GAA. Here is the official Derry GAA website: http://www.derrygaa.ie/ Note the wording on the top bar of your web browser, it should read: GAA in County Derry.

Clearly you have no interest in this article. You only seek to push your bigoted agenda onto those from a nationalist background. Hence your preoccupation with monitoring this page, clearly a subject with which you have absolutely no interest. ClandestineStoichkov

I would like to direct you to the Wikipedia policy on WP:No Personal Attacks and invite you to remove the above message. Yes the Derry GAA refers to the county as County Derry, but that doesn't make the name of the county County Derry. The county is still called County Londonderry no matter how people choose to refer to it. I also wasn't aware that protestant unionists were a master race, but it would explain the attitudes of some protestant unionists if it was true, not that a religious affiliation and political motivation can ascribe anything towards genetics and race so I'm afraid I'm at a complete loss there. As for the position of the British government, yes of course. Last time I checked County Londonderry was in Northern Ireland, part of the United Kingdom and governed by the government of said same nation. So yes what they say and name a county is the official weight on the subject. Ben W Bell talk 23:39, 24 October 2007 (UTC)