Talk:Dennis Green

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Contents 1 NPOV 2 Expanded college days 3 Cleanup 4 Head Coaching Records

[edit] NPOV

The clearly satirical statement about Green's ownership off the team in "No Room for crybabies." was taken out of context. I will delete this, and let it be known that I dispute the pages neutrality as a whole. 66.188.208.180!

[edit] Expanded college days

I was able to find the BCA statistic that confirms he was the 2nd African American DI-A coach ever. I also noted the three times his early career intertwined with that of Bill Walsh. --Bobak 19:31, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup

I put on the cleanup tag for this article. It is poorly formatted, and the organization of the article is at best described as rambling, more on the side of incoherent. This article could also use a nice expansion. 68.117.214.173 02:48, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Head Coaching Records

Why were the records deleted? The coaching box which replaced them is only a summary of the years. All the data was taken from the various media guides referenced. Is there a standard template for coaches where year by year records are not required? Group29 21:51, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Year by year records are pointless, since the information is easily in the two official links. They kinda clutter the page, and its usually customary to only include an overall W-L-T record in the infobox. --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk  22:23, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

ShadowJester, I respectfully disagree with you. They are not pointless since you can obviously deduce which are the good years and bad years. They are not that easily obtained, since they are not all together at a glance. You have to open the Northwestern PDF, then the Stanford PDF, and so forth. (Translation: It took me a while to assemble the Wikitables from those links. Note that those links will be dead when the schools put together their new media guides in the fall of 2007. ) I agree it is customary to have a single win/loss total in the infobox and also the years coached, since that is the way it is currently constructed. Thanks for adding the infobox to the article. But, one person's clutter is another person's useful statistics. There is power in the numbers. I am all for less clutter if you can suggest out a way to do it without a large, nonobjective, undiscussed cut like that. You also cut the tables from the discussion. One of the points of Wikipedia:Etiquette is: Try to avoid deleting things as a matter of principle. Thanks, Group29 22:53, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Very Well, but perhaps you can add more "substance" to the tables ;-) --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk  00:55, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I re-added the tables. I created them as collapsible, but did not put the headers in team colors. Note that a random selection of coaches shows varying types of ways to show the head coaching records:

• Pete Carroll has separated college and pro, and the college table is color coded with more detail
• Bill Walsh (football coach) has no coaching record tables
• Brian Billick has a single table with more detail, links and conference finishes
• Dick Vermeil does not have his college coaching records showing

The collapsible setting was put there to address the clutter concern from the discussion. However it appears that no consensus has been reached about coach entries. This is the only coach article I have found so far with collapsed coaching record tables. Group29 19:35, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

It would appear that now a template exists (CFB Yearly Record Start) to handle coaching records. These tables should be converted. Dick Vermeil now has his college record present. Group29 16:41, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Converted the NU and Stanford boxes. Group29 (talk) 15:20, 29 January 2008 (UTC)