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Thank you for all your work in creating a synopsis on the V for Vendetta page.

Much appreciated.

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[edit] Jessica Bendinger

I forgot to italicize the titles and I didn't know Stick it had a page, because at the time I created the article, it didn't. Thanks for your help though. --Kc12286

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[edit] AHBL / Brian Bruns

Hi DCB4W. I made some edits and comments on these two articles and some articles related to it. Can you look at Bruns behavior, I don't think it is proper that he removed cited information, edits his article, and makes accusations revealing personal identities. And can you take a look at my edits to made sure they are ok or if I did anything wrong. --Chakabuh 01:28, 1 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] "De"'s da Thing

I understand where your coming from in omitting the possessive/attributive "de." I.e. the example given of Lafayette and Tocqueville. But keep in mind that both Lafayette and Tocqueville are as much "theirs" as "ours," and so it's permissible that "we" drop the "de," also there might be an element of yankee egalitarianism in the stylistics of referring to them sans the "de." Nevertheless, in the case of Gilles de Rais, Dominique de Villepin, Brian de Palma, or Oscar de la Joya, the article is never omitted. 'See how De Villepin is referred to by the BBC [[1]] or in the NYT [[2]] (articles selected at random). I also understand how it can be confusing seeing De Sade referred to as Sade tout court half the time, but then again more than half the links to him are to Sadomasochist sites, can't expect them to know any better. Also I must admit the Encyclopedia Britannica online refers to the Baron as simply Rais, but then again Britannica 'tis but children's toy. George Bernard Shaw in his introduction to his play Joan of Arc refers to De Rais et al. as well " De Rais, La Hire and the rest" [[3]] . A good rule of thumb is: it's licit to omit the article when dealing with French, Italian, Spanish, etc..., writers, but usually not in the case of the subject of someone elses's writing. Google scholar gives the following examples of "De Rais" & "De Sade":

E LEYTON - Criminology - ucs.mun.ca ... Century: the French Baron Gilles de Rais, one of the wealthiest men in. ... of these cases and it is not clear, for example, if de Rais' confession -. ...

F Ferguson - Representations, 1991 - JSTOR ... partners. De Sade makes his heroes uniquely self-centred

K Acker - The Review of Contemporary Fiction, 1999 - questia.com ... written and subsequently became literary history," "the black tradition," "the tradition of political writing as opposed to propaganda" (de Sade would head ...

Google scholar gives 0 examples of "Rais" or even "Sade." It seems that De Rais is simply de rigeur.

Marsiliano

Ah, but you oppose the "de" on the grounds that it is illogical, since according to you it simply means "the," and thus to say "the de Rais" (a contorted and improbable phrase to begin with) would be redundant, so the same would need apply to the Spanish and the Italian, but of course it doesn't. You have to understand that we're dealing with what's customary, it is NOT customary in academic papers to refer to "Sade" tout court but rather to "de Sade," however it IS de riguer to speak of "Cervantes" and hence it would be seen as bizarre, if not outright wrong, to say "de Cervantes" or "de Cervantes Saavedra." De Rais, as you point out, should (I think for aesthetic reasons) be written "de Rais" when not begining a sentence. Google scholar, George Bernard Shaw, the example of "de Sade," provide ample enough precedence and justification for having "D/de Rais" be the house style.

P.S. It's irrelevant to look at French articles, were not dealing with issues of "French on French" so to say, but of "French on English." Hence my EXCLUSIVE focus on English articles. Marsiliano etc, etc

A faux pas, I admit. The supposed redundancy would be in the case "of de Rais." Custom demands that we write "Cervantes" and not "de Cervantes," likewise "de Sade" and not "Sade," following this pattern and Shaw's good example and sound style it is best to refer to the Baron as "de Rais." I never suggested French names should be translated into English (although I believe this is the practice in the case of certain Anglo-French kings, e.g. Richard Coeur de Leon), I simply stated that one should look to scholars and authors writing in English for examples and precedents, even in the case of foreign names: obvious example Livy versus Livius. I frankly don't care about the onomastic permutations of Lafayette, it is best to follow the custom of the land and the time. In the case of the Marquis de Lafayette there can be little controversy, he signed his name "Lafayette" [[4]], it has become the norm in America, to do otherwise, as you seemingly suggest, is to court ridicule. Your limited understanding of French onomastics is not surprising, considering its relative complexity vis-a-vis the extreme simplicity of the American naming system (a result of Ellis Island?). Not only have you not demonstrated that my method is wrong (at most you've made an either/or case), but you clearly fail to sense that Rais tout court can be grating to the sensibilities of other, non-American, anglophones. "Fayette" is balanced by the qualifying "La," "Tocqueville" has a consonantal evenness, but "Rais" is left utterly denuded without its attendant "de." Polyglotism makes the tin ear golden. Take heed young man, do like your colonial fathers and learn French.

Marsilianus

After careful inspection I've determined the "de Rais" article requires major revision. If this farrago of run on sentences is not quickly corrected Wikipedia is again liable to attract the derision of the New Yorker [[5]]. À bientôt. Marsiliano

[edit] Question from a sockpuppet

Pray tell why isn't de Gaulle called Gaulle by you Americans tout court? --72.195.145.248 03:16, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Gaulle isn't a place name and the de isn't a particle. Read the Charles de Gaulle article. DCB4W 03:42, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

And Chrétien de Troyes? No–sane–person calls him simply Troyes (You can't possibly argue otherwise). --72.195.145.248 08:57, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

No, sane people know that he's called "Chrétien de Troyes" because his name was Chrétien and he was from Troyes, and that "[de] Troyes" was neither actually his surname nor part of his title. Nobody knows what his surname was, and even the part about being from Troyes is something of an educated guess. Admit it, this is an elaborate joke, right? You're not serious, surely? DCB4W 00:40, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Battle of Ghazni

Hi There,

Just created this article, Battle of Ghazni during the First Anglo-Afghan War. I was wondering if you could fix up anything which is incorrect or add to this battle or link this battle to other articles so that it generates traffic. Thankyou. Mercenary2k 02:55, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Manual of Style - my retirement

Hi there - I just thought I'd pop by and let you know that I'm about done "fighting the good fight" to have some sort of sensible policy being adopted that acknowledges that flexibility should exist on Wikipedia while simultaneously encouraging great writing and limited fancruft.

I tried, I failed, what more can really be said?

I've noted that my draft proposal is now marked as a historical relic, and I've left comments on the talk page. Good luck with your efforts. I'm sure you may see me sporadically posting, fixing up fictional pages that on subjects I enjoy and more often on the science pages that got me into Wikipedia in the first place.

Best of luck! Dr Aaron 13:33, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I spoke too soon - I cracked and tried to have one more go. I've decided rather than fighting all my battles at once, to give up on the "in-universe perspective" argument, and just try to make the page just a little bit better by adding some Key Principles - i.e. make it not just about the perspective.
I've tried to advertise it a bit on the Village Pump so more than the usual suspects will turn up.
I welcome your input. My hope is to get a consensus to get at least this small concession for a change to the existing guidelines. If I can't even get that, then I will give up again.
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[edit] Thank you for your comment at Wikipedia talk:Attribution#Role of truth

Thanks for your supportive comment. This point has been raised a few times in the discussion, by at least one other person besides me, and in my opinion has not been addressed; the discussions veered off into the logically different point of whether apparently true but unsourced material should be included. I feel it needs more thorough discussion and better treatment in the FAQ as well as the wording change I propose. I really appreciate your reply -- I was feeling ignored for a while there!

You may also be interested in my comments on the covered bridge example in Wikipedia talk:Attribution/FAQ#Major rewrite of not truth section. --Coppertwig 19:57, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WAF change

I like it! -- Ned Scott 06:07, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hi! Re discussion at Wikipedia talk:Attribution

You might (or might not) be interested that I've quoted one of your edits at Wikipedia talk:Attribution#It doesn't look to me as if there was a consensus. in relation to discussion at Wikipedia talk:Attribution#Role of truth. --Coppertwig 00:40, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Hey There

I had another go at a compromise on the succession box thing. I can go into explanations with you later. My wife is calling me right now.--Dr who1975 01:34, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] David Hockney

I noticed that you created the temporary non copy-vio version for David Hockney as a sub page of the article talk page. Nice bit of detective work tracking that down. Just FYI, I've reinstated it now and deleted the sub page. Cheers. --Cactus.man ✍ 06:58, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Category:All-America City

I seem to recall something odd about that. It was taken from the category of articles that had the listify tag and were suppose to be OK to listify and delete. I think someone pointed out that some items were tagged without having a discussion. So if this was the case, it would be a deletion that was out of process. A list was created so nothing has been lost. The list includes more data then is available in the category. Since it was out of process, if my guess here is right, then it could be recreated. However if nominated I suspect that the result would be to listify. Hope this helps, but it was a long time ago. Vegaswikian 02:42, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] 2nd AFD for New Lettrist International

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