Talk:David Abrahams (Labour party donor)
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This article was nominated for deletion on 17 December 2007. The result of the discussion was keep. |
[edit] Naming conventions
The current name David Abrahams (Labour party Donator) seems a bit long - what about David Martin Abrahams? - Trident13 (talk) 23:32, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
- The current page title seems fine to me, although a redirect from (or to) David Martin Abrahams would be good as well. I would say prefer the current title as it's clear who the article is about from looking at the disamg. page, given the context given by the (...) as is standard. (i.e. I just got to the disamg. page and knew this was the one I wanted, whereas I wouldn't have had if we used the middle name version.) KTC (talk) 12:02, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
- I'd prefer David Martin Abrahams, with David Abrahams (Businessman) perhaps also a good alternative; the current title is a bit news-stroy specific. --Pretty Green (talk) 13:02, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Material to add
I'm surprised that no-one's found or added the detailed info on the 1991 case brought by Allied Irish Bank against Mr. Abrahams and his business partner yet.
Channel 4 says "it is not presently known if the money was ever repaid", but if I'm correctly understanding what I've found on Google, it appears that Mr. Abrahams had avoided any obligation to repay the money in the first place. Unless I misunderstand, the reason the case went to the House of Lords was that the phrasing of the loan documents made his business partner liable for the entire debt -- Alan Gold, who from the details of the case, I suspect must be the brother of the Howard Gold already mentioned in the article.
The only mainstream media coverage I've found was in The Independent yesterday, but a little Googling finds an old article on the case here (pdf file); the House of Lords judgement on the appeal (wiht judges including not just Lord Hutton, bu also Derry Irvine) is here.
Alan Gold's subsequent litigation against Howard Gold's law firm is aluded to in various places, as [ here, here and here.
I don't have full confidence in my understanding of these matters, so I leave the details here for someone better-versed than me to write them up as required. --AJN 15:54, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
- Well spotted. Complicated cases but I read it as the bank won in making Martin's partner Gold liable to pay the entire bank debt, as per the joint and several clause. Gold then sued his and Martin's law firm for negligance in allowing that clause and they paid up plus a lot of costs. In fact I imagine the law fims insurance paid up, so Martin and Gold effectively got away with the money AND the bank got it back. Amazing. Martin's lawyer happened to be Gold's brother not that I'm suggesting anything but if I were the insurance company I would be very annoyed. Anyway I have added a link to the case article. --Dbdb 18:02, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] New source
This new article from The Guardian may be of interest, as it provides a bit more detail on his background: [1] DWaterson 02:25, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
