Talk:Darwin-Wedgwood family

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This page has the intention pulling together the disparate pages on the members of the family. I've centred it on Darwin, though Galton perhaps could have his children too. I think however, I need another perspective on this, so anyone watching! Dunc_Harris|☺ 18:48, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

William Darwin Fox needs mentioning somewhere too.

Contents 1 To do 2 Tony Benn 3 Article name 4 Other members 5 Family tree image 6 Merges 7 Josiah I's children 8 Ordinals 9 Error in family tree image 10 Randal Keynes's book 11 Move? 12 Infor removed from Keynes family 13 Requested move 14 Fanny Wedgwood 15 Work in progress 16 Problem with family tree links? 17 Image copyright problem with Image:Bernard Darwin.jpg

[edit] To do

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The following is a list that needs to be done (please cross out if you have helped me!)

• Josiah Wedgwood pretty good article.
• Erasmus Darwin - details of children.
• Samuel "John" Galton - expand stub.

• Robert Darwin - reasonable article
• Josiah Wedgwood II - problem with lack of information available on web.
• Samuel Tertius Galton - expand stub.

• Charles Darwin pretty good article. Maybe needs tidy on family.
• Francis Galton could do with some expansion, but not particularly a priority.

• George Howard Darwin - put in children.
• Leonard Darwin reasonable, could mention eugenics a bit more.
• Francis Darwin - expand stub. Need to research some botony(!)
• Horace Darwin - expand stub.

• Charles Galton Darwin (reasonable)
• Gwen Raverat - expand stub; also husband Jacques Raverat.
• Bernard Darwin - expand stub. info available.
• Frances Cornford - expand stub. Also write husband Francis Cornford.
• Nora Barlow - pages on Alan Barlow and his father Thomas Barlow need expanding from stubs.
• Robin Darwin need to write a stub, then expand it.
• Horace Barlow information difficult to find. Email creator of Roy Soc biog?

• Richard Keynes needs a write
• Quentin Keynes I think is okay.

• Erasmus Galton I have seen some info on - only minorly notable however.

(phew)

[edit] Tony Benn

This ought to mention the distant connection to Tony Benn. 80.229.39.194 16:29, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Despite attempting, I can't find any info through google; I get a lot of noise. Can we verify that/come up with a relation? Dunc_Harris|☺ 18:56, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

William Wedgwood Benn, 1st Viscount Stansgate was named 'Wedgwood' after a distant cousin of his mothers called Josiah. 80.229.39.194 08:09, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)

From Wedgwood (disambiguation) "Anthony Wedgwood Benn (Tony Benn) and William Wedgwood Benn are descended from Aaron Wedgwood, younger brother of Thomas Wedgwood I" (great-grandfather of Josiah the Potter) - The Wedgwood tree goes back a long way before Josiah - all the way to the knights that fought alongside William the Conquerer through the Brereton line - see the Family Search web site - annoying to use as it jumps into new (or old) windows when you view the Pedigrees) Laetoli (talk) 00:09, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article name

Shouldn't this be at Darwin-Wedgwood family, in keeping with more usually naming procedures? -Aranel ("Sarah") 03:09, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

From what I could gather of typography, it should be Darwin–Wedgwood. Leandro GFC Dutra 22:10, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

See User_talk:Duncharris#Category:Darwin_--_Wedgwood_family - should be Darwin — Wedgwood family CLW 22:23, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

How about "D a r w i n ————————— W e d g w o o d"? Laetoli (talk) 00:10, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Other members

Someone should probably should add Vaughan Williams, the composer, to the list. He was a grandson of the third Josiah Wedgwood and of Caroline Darwin.

Also others with articles already in Wikipedia that are in the clan

6th generation Cicely Veronica (CV) Wedgwood, the historian Camilla Wedgwood, the anthropologist

I'm willing to add but I'm new to editing in wikipedia.

[edit] Family tree image

I've created a bigger, more complete family tree image, if you'd like to use it here. See Image:Darwin-Wedgwood-Galton_family_tree.png. Obviously, if you want additions, I'd be happy to modify it — its rather simple. Dewet 19:56, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, that's great. A few questions though. Firstly, how did you create it, and is there any way of uploading the source files? I think the whole thing needs to, er, evolve, by tweaking it a bit but it's a whole lot better than the previous version, which I'll ifd. Dunc|☺ 20:15, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

No worries ;) I did it in dia, took me about an afternoon to get it all neatly sorted out, but now its fairly simple to update. I could probably post the .dia file somewhere, if anyone else wants to work on it? Dewet 20:24, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure you're allowed to upload non-image files, but you could ask at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). You couldn't do ones for the other biological families, viz Haldane/Mitchison and Huxley family could you? Dunc|☺ 21:11, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Also, you're missing off William Darwin Fox, but that means you need to put in Erasmus Darwin's parents and sister and that goes down there, though I'm sure you can work it out. Dunc|☺ 22:22, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Right, I've updated it with W.D.F., but I couldn't find Erasmus's mother? Dewet 07:25, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I've also completed Image:Huxley-Arnold_family_tree.png, but the Haldane tree is very messy at the moment; lots of missing information. A big question is whose children are Richard Burdon, John Scott and Elizabeth? I know their grandfather is James Alexander, but the only mention of a son he had is Daniel Rutherford from his second marriage, but nowhere is D.R. specified as their father.

And finally, Image:Haldane-Mitchison family tree.png is sort-of done. I've drawn my assumptions in purple, being the issue I mentioned above. Dewet 10:49, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

You could merge the Huxley-Arnold family tree with the Darwin-Wedgwood one since there are two connections. Andrew Huxley married Richenda Pease, a granddaughter of the first Lord Wedgwood, and Angela Darwin nee Huxley was a great granddaughter of Thomas Huxley and married a descendant of Charles Darwin.--Erp 00:12, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Could you please add Sir Francis Sacheverel Darwin to the tree? Although I have an interest (as a direct descendant through the Worsley family), I suggest he justifies it. His travel writings pre-date and in some ways anticipate the Voyage of the Beagle and he was a very early pioneer of travel writing. He was a physician to George IV and was an extremely colourful character in his youth (see the latter chapters of Desmond King-Hele's biography of Erasmus). It also provides context for several entries on the page. Francis Hoar, 1705 on 6.12.2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.92.40.49 (talk) 17:09, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merges

I added merge suggestions for Anne Darwin and Charles Waring Darwin because there's really not enough in those to warrant being separate articles. They both basically say they were good children and then spend the rest of the space stating how they affected Charles Darwin. That's relevant to Charles Darwin but not to the children themselves. I'd recommend merging to Charles Darwin but that article is already much longer than the recommended maximum length. Thoughts? —Wknight94 (talk) 11:30, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

The Anne Darwin info could appropriately be added to Development of Darwin's theory, and Publication of Darwin's theory checked to ensure it covers all the points in the Charles Waring Darwin article before merging the description of the child and his death into the family article. ...dave souza 13:29, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

As far as the Charles Darwin article itself, it looks like a lot of the info in the children's articles are already in there - but I haven't checked word-for-word. —Wknight94 (talk) 13:32, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it's all in these articles - want me to do it? ...dave souza 16:56, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

I think it would not be a good idea to merge Anne Darwin into Development of Darwin's theory. The latter article is already pretty long and rambling, and couldn't very easily bear the further interruption of material specifically about Anne Darwin. Moreover, the death of Anne Darwin is really only marginally relevant to the development of Darwin's theory--it was an important life event that took place during the preparation of the theory, but probably did not determine the form of the theory in any way. So I would say let's keep everything well organized, and let Anne have her own article. Opus33 16:36, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Oppose merges. Gentlemen (and ladies if there are any or shall hereafter arrive), I don't think much of your proposals for merging some number of these articles. I rather think it shall be a disfavour unto us in the longer term. - Samsara (talk • contribs) 12:53, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Merge - These articles are short and relate directily to Darwin JohnnyMrNinja 07:53, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Oppose - both are not only valid articles, but useful targets for links. Andy Mabbett 11:27, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Josiah I's children

Mea culpa, my bad for not checking the dedicated article – he did indeed have seven kids. Ta for fixing all! JackyR 22:49, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ordinals

Is there any evidence that either the Wedgwood or Darwin clans used ordinals in their names (e.g., Josiah Wedgwood II)? I think not so I have removed them on this page but would like a discussion before going further. The convention states that "Disambiguation: only when naming the ordinal explicitly is the commonest way to refer to the person". --Erp 23:32, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Error in family tree image

The death date of Anne Elizabeth Darwin is 1851 and not 1951.   Andreas   ^(T) 17:37, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Randal Keynes's book

In Darwin, His Daughter & Human Evolution, Riverhead Books, New York 2001, page 357, Randal Keynes (son of Richard Keynes) writes:

George brought his American wife Maud and their young children from Cambridge every summer. Gwen later remembered ....

and on page 358:

My grandmother Margaret, Gwen's younger sister ...

This contradicts partly with the tree image, and one might assume that Maud = Marthe du Puis and Margaret = Elizabeth Darwin (1885-1957). I would suggest to put Margaret Elizabeth Darwin into the tree image as mentioned in the Keynes Family article.   Andreas   ^(T) 18:09, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

12 November 2006

No, you should not merge this into the Darwin-Wedgewoos family page. It is a biography of a person and so should not just be merged with a page where they are hardly mentioned when the page it was previously on had a reasonable amount of information about them. (eg. there is a page on the bush family but you haven't merged the George W. Bush page with it have you?)

[edit] Move?

Wouldn't this look better with an en-dash, not an em-dash? That is, Darwin – Wedgewood family Adam Cuerden ^talk 11:06, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Infor removed from Keynes family

• In addition to the above, Francis Galton was the grandson of Erasmus Darwin, Charles Darwin's grandfather who's mother was a member of the Hill family.

Erasmus Darwin (1731-1802)

Elizabeth Collier Sacheveral-Pole

Frances Anne Violetta

Samuel Tertiary Galton

Francis Galton (1822-1911)

[edit] Requested move

[edit] Fanny Wedgwood

Desmond & Moore's Darwin p 12 notes of Maer "Here Jos and Bessy came to live in 1807 with their six children. On 2 May 1808... their last baby, Emma, was born". Page 139 records that Fanny Wedgwood, Emma's close friend and suggested as a match for Charles Darwin, died in August 1832 at the age of 26, while he was not long on the Beagle journey. ... dave souza, talk 13:19, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Work in progress

Anyone like this? Not sure if this is the best image or if everyone is going over to HTML based trees. If you move your cursor over the image then you will begin to see how it works. Using it as a visual table of contents for this article would work too. Victuallers (talk) 16:21, 1 March 2008 (UTC). Does anyone read this? Victuallers (talk) 23:28, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Problem with family tree links?

The top link to Robert Darwin, (Charles' great-grandfather?), links to Robert Waring Darwin (Charles' father). Robert Darwin's daughter Anne links to Charles' own daughter, died aged 10. Nattrell (talk) 22:31, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

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