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Hawthorne Effect

Some references:

  • Was There a Hawthorne Effect? Stephen R. G. Jones, The American Journal of Sociology > Vol. 98, No. 3 (Nov., 1992), pp. 451-468, from the abstract "the main conclusion is that these data show slender to no evidence of the Hawthorne Effect"
  • Persistance of a Flawed Theory from Psychology Today
  • From here: For decades, the Hawthorne studies provided the rationale for human relations within the organization. Then two researchers used a new procedure called "time-series analyses." Using the original variables and including in the Great Depression and the instance of a managerial discipline in which two insubordinate and mediocre workers were replaced by two different productive workers (one who took the role of straw boss - see below). They discovered that production was most affected by the replacement of the two workers due to their greater productivity and the affect of the disciplinary action on the other workers. The occurrence of the Depression also encouraged job productivity, perhaps through the increased importance of jobs and the fear of losing them. Rest periods and a group incentive plan also had a somewhat positive smaller effect on productivity. These variables accounted for almost all the variation in productivity during the experimental period. Social science may have been to readily to embrace the original Hawthorne interpretations since it was looking for theories or work motivation that were more humane and democratic. – Franke, R.H. & Kaul, J.D. "The Hawthorne experiments: First statistical interpretation." American Sociological Review, 1978, 43, 623-643.

Hope this helps! --Goodoldpolonius2 15:33, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes, yes, Thank you for that effort! --DanielCD 15:44, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Formulas

Those formulas are made with Tex which is markup language and is included in Wikipedia. There is a huge document at Help:Formula. Dr Debug (Talk) 20:57, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Request for assistance

I am trying to help a new user you have previously interacted with, Mbeychok, discover why his .png formulas cannot be used. I think they look nice and tidy, but I am not familiar with this. As for the collaborative ethos, could not others create these files as well?

I was hoping you could offer a few kind words of advice in this regard, as this new user seems a bright source of ideas and has made valuable edits (e.g. Cooling tower). I hope you will find time to indulge us in this regard. Otherwise, thank you for your time. And cheers! --DanielCD 21:44, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

  • I assume by cannot you mean should not be used. I thought it was obvious: if formulas are written using <math> markup in a Wikipedia article, then anyone else can change them using the normal text editor. If they are in a png, another editor must have access to Tex somewhere else, must screen capture them on their own machine, use an image editor to convert them to png and upload them here - a lot more messy and requires the user to have additional software tools.
I was delighted to see that Mbeychok has accepted this principle as far as tables go: he has just uploaded Flue gas emissions from fossil fuel combustion which uses a text-based table (actually it's HTML rather than wiki table markup but I can't be too picky) and replaces Image:FlueGas2.gif which I had told him was anti-colaborative.
Regarding formulae, I not going to do anything interventionist like marking them for deletion, all I ask is that we should agree that it would be better if they used <math> rather than image files. Incidentally "my preferences" has an option for how math is to be handled - have you tried different settings? -- RHaworth 22:12, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
RHaworth:
I think this discussion has gone down two different tracks. First of all, you were correct in your original criticisms of my .jpg images which had equations in them. I have since deleted all of those images and written my equations out using the math markup language available here on Wikipedia. I have also deleted my .jpg image of a table of flue gas rates and replaced it with a text-based table as you have noticed.
Secondly, I had also posted some articles in the WikiCities site at atmosphericdispersion.wikicities.com and developed some equations using their WikiCities version of the math markup language.
In so doing, I noticed that the WikiCities math markup language produces smaller, neater and less florid equations than does the Wikipedia math markup language. So I asked DanielsCD for help in suggesting that Wikipedia perhaps make the smaller, neater WikiCities math markup also available on Wikipedia.mbeychok 23:08, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Page protection

I'm not aware of any instructions that page unprotection should normally go through the administrator who protected it. I'd consider that an excessive protocol that defeats the point of having lots of administrators, so that any one of them can take whatever action is appropriate. I went ahead because I thought the situation was pretty simple to fix. Honestly, going straight to page protection over one instance of vandalism, as opposed to a concerted attack, seemed a little more jumpy than necessary. --Michael Snow 22:21, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I realized that might be the case, but I wanted to err on the side of caution. --DanielCD 22:59, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
No problem, there's nothing wrong with treating it as a serious situation when articles about living people contain blatant falsehoods. --Michael Snow 23:01, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Another Scuffle

The DID article is going nowhere slowly, and currently quietly, but I think I have found someone oozing formal psyche qualifications who might be persuaded to put basic shape on it. ;o) I just don't know enough to do that "on the wing", but I do know enough to know that 90% of the article as it stands is totally irrelevant to the subject.

HOWEVER, there is currently an Admin insistantly restoring the criteria the DSM refused permission for, and concensus withdrew, in favor of a link (for safety) during December for to the Narcissistic personality disorder article.

Since they refused permission, as far as I can see there are only two ways to go:

a)Persuade them to change their minds.

b)Persuade Wikimedia to approve "taking a stand"

Without either it seems best to "leave well alone". --Zeraeph 02:18, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

imbedding an image

to: DanielCD

from: Dcwade

Daniel, I have been able to log in and contribute to the baculite page but my feeble brain has been unable to imbed a beautiful image of the Ooland baculites in my collection.

How about bailing out an old brain damaged (strokes) man with some help here. I will even email you the image (39 kb) so you can imbed it for me.

Dcwade

Image:Example.jpg - this is as far as i can get !

Antecedent Action

Wow. It's nice to know that someone can start and article, and while they step away to continue their research, not even ten minutes later the article is completely deleted. I seriously think some caution should be used in just deleting things. What am I supposed to do with the half page of material I just researched? The two examples I made? I'd appreciate a little more caution in speedying things into deletion. Why was this deleted so quickly? Ten minutes is not enough time to assume an author is finished working, and I think we should give a little breathing room in that regard. --DanielCD 05:01, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Are you sure it's deleted? I put a {{prod}} tag on it, which takes 5 days, so it couldn't possibly be deleted that fast. --Rory096 05:03, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Alas, you're right. I have no idea why that happened. Try asking UninvitedCompany, as he's the administrator who deleted it. --Rory096 05:05, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Check it out. Sorry, I assumed you did that; and I apologize in that regard. I'm going to find out WTF is going on. --DanielCD 05:05, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
It's quite alright, I'd be angry too. -Rory096 05:08, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Antecedent Action

Well, let's see. It's mistitled; the article would properly belong at Antecedent action, and it was 18 words long, and did not have sufficient content to be a meaningful start on anything. I'll undelete it if you like. Otherwise, a better course of action might be to write a proper article with the proper title. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 05:12, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't see how anything here has any relevance to deleting an article inside of ten minutes of creation, and that while it was being edited/worked on by an administrator. --DanielCD 13:15, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Project deletion

Oh man. I don't mind that the project's going into the bit-bucket, 'cause so far most of the material is my work anyway. I'm just sorry that I embarrased you. Wow I expected maybe some blanking or trolling but not community censure. I really actually didn't think making a page move even meant that much, I thought it was just a technical thing. Actually I guess I really actually didn't think, period. Yes of course it should have been discussed I see that now.

Oh well as far an I'm concerned its no big deal, 'cause it was going to be a lot of work, work that I was gearing up for but without much enthusiamm, There are many areas I'm a lot more interested in, actually. And I trust the community knows what its doing better than I do. But you had been doing some serious article work and I really am sorry that I messed things up for you, is all.Herostratus 16:12, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

You didn't mess anything up. I'm betting we would have changed the nature/name/focus of the project anyway if we could have brought more people in to give perspective. --DanielCD 20:59, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
OK thanks for the kind words. I was kind of frosted for a short bit and I got a bit incivil, but I'm actually laughing now. From the crooked timber of mankind, no straight thing was ever made, eh? What a freaken comedy of errors! Whew, OK, sure, no prob, live and learn. Yes I look forward to working with you here and about, you're one of the good 'uns. And no, nobody attacked me personally, and I wouldn't much care if the did, but thanks for the words. Eh as you said, I'm not that into working on the subject anyway. Hopefully something good will come of this, some heavy hitters will put something serious together orsomething, maybe I'll help out then. Wiki on! Herostratus 22:00, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

From Herostratus' talk

Based upon a note by a third party regarding the "gravity" of the situation, I'll be less crytic: I thought that your comments were accurate and damning, but had the added charm of being humourous. I'd have thought from the tone of the above message and the fact that I've recommended "keep" that would have been obvious, but have been known to be unintentionally occult before.
brenneman(t)(c) 21:40, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for all your help

Last night, I submitted my suggestion to Bigzilla on using the math markup language at WikiCities to create equations and it has been accepted as a bug to be considered. FYI, it is bug # 4915.
mbeychok 21:31, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Archiving

Hi DanielCD, Was I unreasonable to archive Talk:Bayern Munich? Kingjeff 22:34, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Long talk pages just seem to long and disorganized. The Bayern Munich talk page was out of wack anyways with new discusions at top and bottom of the page. Kingjeff 01:08, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

What's up?

Hello, : ) What's click'en chicken? (I had a boss that said that 100 times a day!) You doing okay? --FloNight 04:27, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Just chillin'. --DanielCD 04:32, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
I've been following it from a distance (like a chicken). If it comes back to life, I will get involved some how. Either make it better or kill it. That is one project we have to get right! --FloNight 04:39, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Kinda feel like Cassandra. But I know I'm just soothing myself with that thought to hide from the fact I seriously put my foot in my mouth. My tail is tucked between my legs right now, but I'll bounce back.
I almost feel as if I should remove those comments, lest I give someone an idea. The "Trustees" don't have enough eyes to protect them from the possiblities I can forsee. But they think they are all powerful, so why should they want my input? --DanielCD 04:39, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Noooooooooooo

Nooooooo you can't mean that! Calm down old boy. Anyway, you can't leave, because then I'll feel it's my fault, and I'll feel all guilty and stuff, and I'll probably be cross to my dog, and she'll look at me all sad, and then I'll feel even worse, and then... I dunno, China will declare war or something, and it'll be all your fault. So take a break or something, don't worry about it. Who knows, maybe this will make a good scene when they make Wikipedia:The Movie? Herostratus 05:43, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

  • Dude, chill. Ever'thin's OK. --DanielCD 14:02, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Table

Can you correct my table on Alan Smith? ThanksKingjeff 04:47, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. See how easy things can be. Kingjeff 04:54, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry looks good. It's time to start filling in some stats for both the International career table and club career table. Kingjeff 05:04, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

You are eligible because you are a "registered user". Although I think some pick and choose who they want to vote. Kingjeff 05:16, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Football/Article improvement drive

Can you nominate an article for me at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Article improvement drive? They'll get upset if I nominate another article any time soon. If you do want to nominate an article, it's Per Mertesacker article. Kingjeff 20:37, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Football

I like the advice you've been giving to Kingjeff recently and seeing as you've been an admin for a while, was wondering if you'd be able to help in the disputes we've been having as a neutral from outside the Football project. I'm sure you're aware that there have been repeated disputes involving Kingjeff and several project members including myself recently and the sooner things can settle down a bit the better.

I should point out that one problem we're having is that the project has had very few rules up to now. Although there have been disagreements on how things should be done, people have always been civil and we've managed to work out solutions without any problems, so we've been able to keep rules to a minimum. For example, there has never been a rule on how many articles a person may nominate on the FAID because we haven't had somebody nominating one every day or two before. The same goes for sockpuppets - the rules on who can vote have been kept loose because we wanted new people to join in and having large numbers of new users with suspiciously similar edit histories suddenly take an interest in football isn't a problem we've encountered before. We're going to have to sort that out over the next week or so, and any help we can get from an experienced user would be welcome.

Finally, I assume you aren't happy with my threat to block Kingjeff if he disrupts the project again. That's understandable - I didn't become an admin so I could tell other users what to do and don't like it when other admins act in that way. However, we've been having something like a new incident every day recently and it's got to the stage where something will need to be done quickly if things don't change. I've seen good editors leave over disputes like this before and that's something I'm desperate to prevent. If you feel like I'm acting too harshly at any point, please leave a message on my talk page asking why I've done what I've done and I'll happily give you my reasons. CTOAGN (talk) 22:36, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Distraction

Hello! Your still worrying about the PP? I got that impression from your comment to User:Just zis Guy, you know?. I left a message to you on Guy's talk page. I could use your help and maybe it will take your mind off the PP. Hope I didn't misread your statement. If I did please tell me.

(I have a new whirly thing at the top of my talk page. : ) --FloNight 23:14, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

DanielCD, thanks! When I added the references to the Graham Rix article, I read them! There was a huge contraversy about Rix coaching because of his criminal conviction related to sexual offences. Evidently coaching jobs puts him in contact with youth player that the F.C. are trying to recruit. Fear that some families might not want a convicted sexual offender talking with their children. There was also some protest based on his conviction itself. But there was also people that supported him, saying that his offence was minor. My take is that the newspaper stories show that this category is significant as it relates to him. More so, than other sports players due to the publicity/contraversy about his conviction. I think the debate in the real world has carried over to WP. We shouldn't let the fans desire to protect their F.C's image or the sexual offense registery notification crowd decide. We need to see how it relates to their public persona. That's my pov. I hope it is obvious to you that I'm not a moralizer! --FloNight 02:13, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I think I'm going to call it an early night tonight. YAWWWWWNNNN! --DanielCD 02:32, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I just yawned. Never knew that written yawns were catching, too. By the way, did my distraction work? Do I need to think of something else? Oh yeah, thanks. ; ) --FloNight 02:46, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

DID article

Zeraeph has decided to "clean up" the article by removing all the controversy. So all we have have now is the DSM-IV, which is true, and oh yes, a few kooks who disagree. He thinks all the controversy should be tidied away into another article.

Is this really what you wanted in the way of article cleanup? It's like cleaning up the house by burning it down. I protest. Zora 12:40, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

D -- Would you kindly review the current process of the DID article, and consider removing the POV disputation tag? I am, frankly, at a loss to understand Zora's focus on this particular article, and, do, in fact, agree with her on many points. However, her rambunctiousness is interfering with my ability to correct the very problems to which she is alluding.
I thank you for your time and attention. --Mjformica 17:36, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Brian Peppers non-notable sexual offender

Have you seen Brian Peppers discussion on WP:DRV, deletion review? He is a non-notable Sexual Offender that some want to highlight due to his physical appearance. This is so rude and demeaning. Kicking someone when they are down. --FloNight 14:58, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

It's been deleted. The debate at WP:DRV is about to undelete or not to undelete. --FloNight 15:10, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Kingjeff block

Thanks for the advice. I've taken it into account, but didn't think the "start with 24h" bit was appropriate for this case because of jeff's previous 1 week block for harassment and the number of incidents - his latest was to wind someone up and list him on AN/I when he responded. I think he'd just have laughed at a shorter block, and I won't be at all surprised if he uses some more sockpuppets (he's now been caught using one) to get around the one he now has. I hope you don't think I've been too harsh in giving him another one-week block, but if you do please leave a message at my talk page. CTOAGN (talk) 12:51, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Kegan

very interesting fellow. he seems like hes fleshing out Maslow's self-actualization need into stages, with some definite ego development foundations. i'd be extremely interested in reading his work; is the evolving self the best place to start? JoeSmack Talk 18:34, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

AutoWikiBrowser

Hello, DanielCD : ) Could you do me a favor and register me for AutoWikiBrowser. An adm has to register non-adm. I wanted to give it a try. I saw your name on the list. The registation is at Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser/CheckPage Thanks FloNight talk 21:13, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! I've been staying away from trouble for a change. Re-doing my user page, welcoming newbies, and writing the 'pedia. More than 24 hours since anyone snarled at me. FloNight talk 21:48, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Football AID 12 February - 18 February

Thank you for participating in the Football AID vote this week.

FC Dynamo Kyiv has been selected as this week's collaboration. Please do help in working to improve it.

Frog won!

 Thank you for your support of the Article Improvement Drive.
This week Frog was selected to be improved to featured article status.
Hope you can help…

Dijxtra 21:24, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

A Scuffling We Will Go!

Ok I admit whenever somebody suggests stuff I might not know about has been going on, I get paranoid, so I check, so sue me *shrugs*.

BOY that was some mess I was happy not to ge dragged into by association - OUCH!

Still I am glad you will be sticking around, in fighting form (you must be to VOLUNTEER to get in the the middle of bona fide "fingernails and handbags" ;o)...SHHHHH!! I don't think anybody else has figured out I am a girl yet! ). Anyway, you OWE it to me to stick around, cos Wikipedia is addictive and if it wasn't for you I never would have got hooked.

Curently all is quiet...at least DID is on topic now...but BOY does it ever need polishing and finishing...--Zeraeph 23:37, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

That DEPENDS on what "blue linking" involves? Hopefully only the placing of words on user page, will take a look at Ego, superego and ID tomorrow.

Dunno that it is necessary to get entrenched in pro/con on any subject...you can always be objective, sit on fence and "get it" from BOTH sides? --Zeraeph 00:10, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Yea, that's what I aim for. --DanielCD 00:16, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Me too, it's my hobby...
Today I learned too new skills:
  1. How to vote (E,S and I)
  2. How to stop being red

--Zeraeph 00:27, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

I guess it's time to arbitrate DID a little? Now it contains information about DID and is actually about DID, Zora has tagged it for "disputed neutrality" *sighs*, and even THAT isn't relevant --Zeraeph 10:05, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Real DID INFORMATION would be even better ;o)--Zeraeph 00:05, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Beckjord's Dog

URGENT Appeal - Beckjord dog fell off cliff

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see dog at http://www.beckjord.com/electricrepairs/yelldg.jpg

eb

Thanks

..for the kind words. We'll see what happens! Joey Q. McCartney 02:29, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

re: Vote

Yeah it's quieted down finally. Hell no you didn't 'abandon' me. I kneecapped you... but anyway not a big either way, I figure and hope. Hmmm looks like its heading for no consensus/rename... if it stays I'm gonna definately jump back into it... have to, really. I'm great. I've been doing mostly short page review, which is easy and relaxing. Yeah everthing is totally copacetic. Herostratus 02:41, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Causing trouble in PP again? FloNight talk 02:59, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Nooooooooooo honest! Herostratus

I think she meant me. But you behave yourself too! --DanielCD 13:57, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Dr Stephen I. Rosen

EB has sent Mongo a photo taken eb of Rosen.

xx

woo-hoo!

Awarded to DanielCD for patient, erudite work fighting POV in some of the most difficult and fraught areas of Wikipedia.. Herostratus 08:37, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Awarded to DanielCD for patient, erudite work fighting POV in some of the most difficult and fraught areas of Wikipedia.. Herostratus 08:37, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Nice

Thank you DanielCD : ) Very nice. FloNight talk 02:17, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Robert McChesney

How would I make a criticism more appropriate? I think Dr. McChesney tends to get a free pass regarding media critcism, while he himself appears to be immmune. The article I sourced is a valid one since it quotes him and the website does not have a bias against him. Adkinsjm 04:25, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

I would request that you not place personal opinion on the site, as you've done in the past. For example, on 2/12/2006, you posted the following:

"Dr. McChesney has critics who do not like his links to Noam Chomsky and supposed leftist bias."

On 2/8/2006, you posted the following:

"Dr. McChesney also appeared in the movie 'Outfoxed', which uses misleading statement in arguing that Fox News is biased." <grammatical point: punctuation always goes inside quotes.>

On 12/17/2006, you posted the following:

"Dr. MchChesey also supports guests who have anti-American agenda's by having on guests such as Howard Zinn, Alexander Cockburn, and a host of others, including noted hater of America Noam Chomsky." <spelling: you mis-spelled Dr. McChesney's name / grammatical point: 'agendas' should be plural, not possessive>

In each instance, your own opinion is placed in Dr. McChesney's profile as 'criticism.' No valid source is offered; you're providing your own views as criticism. Take a look at the Neutral Point of View article for suggestions on how to elaborate criticism of Dr. McChesney in a manner consistent with policy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_viewMikewelch7 17:03, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

February 2006

Synchronize our watches...

Copied your comments and my reply here.

We really need chat for some of these discussions. This message wait-and-run stuff is just driving me mad. --DanielCD 03:32, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
I know. Especially when I have to hunt for your messages like easter eggs : ) FloNight talk 03:57, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

DanielCD, I left the other discussion where it was. We need to synchronize our watches or something.

I'm going to do some serious work on child sexual offender and child sexual abuse articles and categories. In a week or so, I might start removing some articles without proper references. Hold them in my user subpage and urge other editors to work on them. They don't need to be deleted; they need sources and to be fact checked. I'm going to announce it on the email list and elsewhere. If I announce it first, I hope it won't be seen as WP:POINT. FloNight talk 17:19, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, I'm trying to get away from this subject matter. But it looks like I was right in saying shit sticks. --DanielCD 02:09, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
I get confused too easy to have discussions on two pages. : ) I'm going to stick to answering on my page for now. FloNight talk 02:49, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Societal attitudes towards homosexuality

Just so you know ahead of time, I'm not an admin, that having been said: I don't think that Speedy keep would be the best for this particular AFD. Although the current concensus is for a Keep, and some users suggesting Strong Keep, there haven't been too many calls for a Speedy Keep. Taking into account that it's a controversial topic, and it's getting a few Delete votes from non newusers/sockpupets, I'd suggest letting the AFD run it's course.

But again, I'm not an admin :-P That's my user opinion :-) Cheers! --lightdarkness (talk) 05:37, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Hey, "Admin" ain't nothin' but a shiny bell. --DanielCD 05:43, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
Hehe, I'm flattered that you value my AFD opinion. I'll read indepth on the nomination tomorrow, and post a comment/vote there, but as for now I must head to sleep. Cheers! --lightdarkness (talk) 05:45, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Nirvana and Dzogchen

I'll check it out. Have you followed the WebEx and Min Zhu arb comm case? It got interesting again, after I thought everything had settled down. We have an old/new editor advocating for the Larvatus, the editor that is being banned. Says that he has been to the courthouse and read the case files. Very strange last minute situation. This person's only previous edit was putting the original unsourced allegations of child rape and corporate cover-up in the article. That was last May, I think. Oh, and Larvatus showed up and made comments the same night. For the first time in weeks. I thought when the arb case was over we could finish the article quickly. Never dull around this place.

I've been thinking about what you wrote earlier. We need to be practical about the situation, I think. (That is one of my life phil.- When in doubt do the practical thing : ) There are conflicting values and ideals in the project. They are impossible to resovle. So by thinking practial you can put these conflicts aside. Defining the practical is usually easier for me. Does any of this make since to you? If not, I sure it is my fault not yours. Sometimes I confuse myself! FloNight talk 05:39, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Create

You sent me to destroy

Yet I create.

Today, I remembered that you suggested the article Neoplatonism and Gnosticism for deletion? Oops! Do you know this topic? I'm going to take the PROD tag off later today, I think. Don't you go and delete it. : ) I saw your name on LoveMonkey's user page. Some kind of editing conflict? Were you warring or mediating? FloNight talk 19:13, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Someone else took the PROD tag off Neoplatonism and Gnosticism I was going to do it later today, anyway. Trouble is in the air. There is conflict starting on the talk page. Spilling over from some that you edited/mediated. Plotinus and others. I can keep order but no expertise in the topic. DanielCD, are you a philosopher? A degree in philosophy? FloNight talk 01:36, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Crime cats

That is the way I came to child sexual offender. Starting in mid Dec., I surveyed all the crime cats. I started with cannibalism! Fraud, rape, murder. I still do some every few days. FloNight talk 01:46, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Currently, I'm taking people out of (category:bisexual actors) if not properly applied. The category is up for deletion. Could go either way. I voted to delete. Mostly because it has no criteria. I suggested criteria on talk page, and began removing them. FloNight talk 01:56, 22 February 2006 (UTC)