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[edit] New players

Please don't add potential players to the roster until after they are confirmed by management. Not only is it technically wrong but I feel like its bad Karma... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.239.215.175 (talk • contribs)

[edit] Rename

Would it be OK to rename this page to DC United, or D.C. United if necessary, instead of the current D. C. United? The name with the space seems inconsistent with, for example, Washington, DC. Wmahan. 07:54, 2004 Apr 15 (UTC)

Definitely take the space out, but I'd leave the dots, as the official site seems to use them. sjorford 08:07, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Makes sense. Done. Wmahan. 02:33, 2004 Apr 16 (UTC)

[edit] Copa

Technically, wasn't DCU eliminated in the 3rd round of Copa Sudamericana? --ZoomZip 20:23, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] TfD nomination of Template:MLSteams

Template:MLSteams has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:MLSteams. Thank you. --D Monack 06:13, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Year-by-year

I'm not sure why we changed the year-by-year table. I vote to revert back to the original. Here are some reasons:

  1. I like that the "season-by-season" table provides more information, but I'm afraid this is going to be too verbose as more seasons are added.
  2. Some competitions may not happen in the "season", so "year" might be the correct term
  3. The table is different than every other MLS team and different from teams in other leagues (EPL, for example). While there is not a football wikiproject template for this, I think there is a template for MLS teams. I think this template could be updated, but I think it should be discussed.
  4. Information on how the team has done in the US Open, for example, should be located on the page for the US Open in that year. I think some teams (mainly Kansas City Wizards) have too much information from competitions that should have their own page.

Anyway, I will keep the page the way it is right now, but I may revert if I'm not talked out of my opinions :) --Rballou 22:04, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I removed the table in question. If you want to view it, it is still available in history. Please feel free to discuss this formatting here, I know a lot of work went into the table, it just doesn't fit with MLS team pages or football pages so I thought it best to remove it for now.

[edit] Adu flag/nationality

While updating the roster, I changed Adu's nationality indicator to "USA":

  • He's capped for the US nats. While this is still reversible (having dual nationality, he can still change his FIFA status before his 21st birthday if so desired), Adu has lately indicated that he will not reverse his status and will remain an American player in FIFA's eyes.
  • He's a citizen.
  • MLS considers him to not be an "international"/"foreign" player, and he doesn't count against the foreigner cap.
  • He lives and plays here. Bill Oaf 02:46, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
On second look, it seems that it was only a recent change by a quasi-vandal. Hey, quasi-vandal: stop playing politics with wikipedia. Bill Oaf 02:49, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notable players?

Is Quintanilla really a notable player? Delmlsfan 03:56, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

No. Taking him out now.--dm (talk) 04:29, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template

someone needs to make a template for the dc united 68.98.139.9 01:00, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Casal flag/nationality

Yinka Casal was born in London. He lived his life in London. His flag should be England not Nigeria even though he has dual citizenship. Changed back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.217.117.15 (talk • contribs)

Why not add both? --AW 19:22, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Since he does hold Dual Citizenship, its only fair to have both.Burdman 18:17, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Salaries

Why add salaries? No other clubs nor leagues are doing this. Deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.217.117.15 (talk • contribs)

Why not add salaries? it's useful information, it doesn't matter what other clubs have. --AW 19:18, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
I agree with the previous poster... The information isn't particularly useful, and the precedent set by other clubs should be followed. Salary information, if it's really necessary, can be part of the players' pages. crynyd 16:45, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Someone keeps changing back to the salaries. The standard of other MLS clubs should be followed.

[edit] Dates & dashes

En dashes should be used in scorelines and only full dates and dates with a day and month should be wikilinked, including in the footnotes. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dashes) and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers). Epbr123 20:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Social Responsibility"

Well-sourced, to be sure, but to my eyes finally it's nothing more than PR puffery and not really suitable for the page, so I reverted it. JohnInDC 20:50, 3 July 2007 (UTC)


I suggest then you check other football club wikis where their work in the community is cited. See Tottenham Hotspur, Vasco De Gama and River Plate for example.

It should be put in there because DC United's official motto is "To serve the community and win championships." That's from Day 1. Not PR. Disagree? Go ask Kevin Payne.

This aspect is part of what make DC United unique.

Well - first, "DC United is unique" and "all the other clubs do it" are mutually exclusive. Further, if the team's motto is determinative then the article should lead with the charitable activities, seeing as championships appear to be secondary goal. And, as much as I admire Kevin Payne, I wouldn't expect anything *but* the PR response from him, were I to ask him his views.
But finally that is all beside the point, which that the edit reads like an ad rather than as a recitation of what the club does. See WP:NOT#SOAP. If it's worth putting in, it's worth doing in a factual, un-self-congratulatory way. JohnInDC 22:15, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] MLS Reserve Division

MLS Reserve Division has been repeatedly deleted from the page, isn't it considered a Domestic Honor as well?

I haven't been editing the entry it but if I had my druthers it would be left out. The Reserve Division is just - an invention, a convenience to the league, a way to keep bench players playing and sharp. They keep track of wins and losses because that's what they're used to. It's not like it *counts* for anything. To my mind, it's just Spring Training that runs concurrently with the season and listing DC United's Reserve Division "championships" just clutters up the main article. JohnInDC 11:15, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Year by Year

Should the Copa Sudamericana be added into the year by year table? DC United is the only MLS team to qualify for this tournament, however, its a good visual for the table. jb 18:15, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

example:

Year Reg. Season MLS Playoffs U.S. Open Cup CONCACAF
Champions' Cup		 CONEMBOL
Copa Sudamericana
1996 2nd, East Champions Champions Did not Enter Did not qualify
1997 1st, East* Champions Final Third Place Did not qualify
1998 1st, East Final Did not enter Champions Did not qualify
1999 1st, East* Champions Round of 16 Third Place Did not qualify
2000 4th, East Did not qualify Quarterfinals Fourth Place Did not qualify
2001 4th, East Did not qualify Semifinals Not Held Did not qualify
2002 5th, East Did not qualify Did not enter Round of 16 Did not qualify
2003 4th, East Quarterfinals Semifinals Did not qualify Did not qualify
2004 2nd, East Champions Round of 16 Did not qualify Did not qualify
2005 2nd, East Quarterfinals Quarterfinals Semifinals Round of 16
2006 1st, East* Semifinals Semifinals Did not qualify Did not qualify
2007 TBD TBD Round of 16 Third Place TBD

* Won MLS Supporters' Shield

[edit] In/out players bold

I'm going to unbold those guys, since above that it says "the players in bold have had national team appearances." --AW (talk) 21:01, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Player transfers - deletion

On the heels of his deletion of the 2007-2008 transfer information earlier today, User:Number 57 was kind enough to point me to the most recent discussion on WP:FOOTY concerning annual lists of in/out transfers on club pages. It's here. The consensus seemed to be, "annual transfers should be covered on the club's season-by-season pages"; but there was also some discussion of how, when a team lacked season-by-season pages (as does DC United), there was really no other place to put it but on the main club page. I found the "Changes for [this] season" section to be kind of useful here and think the page is weaker without it. Do others much care? If so then perhaps it's worth dusting off this dead horse over at WP:FOOTY and beating on it a bit more. If not, then I am sure I can muster the strength to carry on without the section. JohnInDC (talk) 15:15, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

  • I think you can reinstate it, there was no consensus to delete transfer sections where there is no club season / list of transfers page. But maybe you could create List of MLS transfers 2008 and include the information there? English peasant 16:24, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

User:Number 57 did offer in his comments to me that he read the consensus broadly and would continue to delete such lists where he found them. The two choices thus appear to be 1) achieve express refinement of the consensus or 2) as you suggest, create a new page. As for (2), I'm not sure whether such a page would get the attention it really would require inasmuch as only 2 MLS club pages even recorded the transfer information in the first place. My (wholly intuitive) sense is that the few people who care enough about recording such events are fans of just one or two clubs, and when a transfer takes place, head for those one or two pages to record it.

Who knows, though. Maybe I'm wrong. I hope others weigh in on it! (Thanks to you for doing so.) JohnInDC (talk) 16:40, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree with JohnInDC that a "Changes for [this] season" section is useful here and the page is weaker without it. Xsmith (talk) 03:19, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Picture of Shirts

The picture of the home/away shirts, while much prettier than the hodgepodge approximations we have usually on team's websites, they are eggregiously outdated and are in serious need of update. Can someone with a little more technical skill work on this? -- Grant.Alpaugh 15:47, 23 March 2008 (UTC)