Talk:Cumann na nGaedhael

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I think that considering this party's key role in the foundation of the Irish Free State, this article requires expansion. It formed the first Government of an independent Ireland, provoked controversy and was the predecessor of the Fine Gael party. Could people agree to get together in an attempt to expand this article and attempt to define the ideology and achievements of Cumann na nGheadheal?

I think this article should include reference to crises under Cumann na nGaedhael including the Boundary Crisis of 1925, when the Boundary Commission's proposals on redrawing the North-South border were leaked by a Unionist (J.R. Fisher) on the Commission which would have required the South to hand over a rich part of East Donegal containing 7,000 Protestants to Northern Ireland, while the South would only get a few boglands in Armagh and Fermanagh. Cumann na nGaedhael naturally refused to accept losing territory so he went to London and negotiated the scrapping of the report and also the scrapping of the Council of Ireland (an All-Ireland body in the Anglo-Irish Treaty 1921). As a result, the electorate punished CnG in the 1927 election, though with FF abstaining, CnG continued to govern, until FF entered the Dail and together with Labour voted the government out, before it was re-elected later in 1927.

Daily, I've tried to improve this page but think it needs a little more work.



I note that this page is not easily accessible by typing "Cumann na nGaedheal into the Wikisearch, and actually comes up as about the tenth choice on a list (with a relevence of about 1.5%. Since this is the spelling most commonly used in historical texts (from what I have seen), perhaps it would be possible for both spellings to link directly to this page?

[edit] name transcription

[kˠʊmˠʷən̪ˠ n̪ˠə ŋˠeːlˠ]

You might not want to go as far as I have done here, but I dont think your version is spefic enough (of makes no distinction between lensis and fortis sounds -the 'nn' in cumann is longer than the l at the end of 'gael'). Traditionally, a rule of thumb is that a long vowel has a short l, n, or r after it, and in opposition, a short vowel has a long l, n, or r

[edit] POV

this article really violates the whole no point of view thing, it basically says how great cummann na gaedhal were, like the stuff about wt cosgrave, the article come across as if it belongs on a pro fine gael/pro treaty fansite, rather then an encyclopedia, i really think this needs to be re written to show the party from every concievable side —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.239.169.143 (talk) 16:50, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Original Cumann na nGaedhael

I would suggest that the information in this section is wrong. From my reading of it they were not founded to campaign against a visit by King Edward VII and Queen Alexandra to Ireland. From what I read it was formed to bring together a number of other parties to form an executive body to coordinate their efforts. I would like to add to this section, but would like this addressed first. --Domer48 (talk) 20:47, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I fixed the Griffith set up the National Council as an ard hoc body to protest against the royal visit.--Padraig (talk) 23:11, 11 January 2008 (UTC)