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[edit] Expanding article

I agree with the first comment. And maybe expanding the article as a whole. Comparing this article with the other CSI pages it is quite bleak.

[edit] Horatio Caine

There is no Horatio Caine, this, very simply is appauling. I don't have much knowledge of CSI:M, but I'll do my best. Computerjoe's talk 17:42, 4 May 2006 (UTC) Some idiot keeps on putting an annoying Horatio quote on his bio section. He should be blocked.

[edit] Comparison with CSI Vegas

Is there a perceived difference between the different CSI shows, stylistically, treatment of themes, or in any other way? Hakluyt bean 13:58, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

It might be something worth researching. Personally, i think the Miami version quickly went from a prettier version of CSI (Vegas) to something more in keeping with the Michael Mann Miami Vicedays. I cannot say its an improvement. I always thought the series wwas to focus around the evidence, and the characters' lives were secondary. This holds true int he other two series but not here. I think it suffers for the reliance on weak characterization and back story.Arcayne 08:08, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

In my opinion, each of the CSIs has a different focus (and catchphrase!). Gil Grissom is constantly saying "follow the evidence," so I think of CSI: Crime Scene Investigation as focusing mostly on the science and techniques used to catch criminals. Horatio Caine of CSI: Miami always says, "We never close." There's a great deal of emphasis on action, explosions, and excitement. And for CSI: NY, good old Mac Taylor professes "Everything is connected." I think it is the closest of the CSIs to a pure detective drama, just finding out who the bad guy is. Just as an example of how the shows are different from each other: throughout the entire first season of CSI: NY, Mac wears a suit and tie and we don't see a problem. But when Keppler (Liev Schreiber) shows up on the original in similar attire, he gets funny looks from everyone. DreamroseTavua 21:14, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DVD information consolidation

I originally consolidated the spread-out information presented here on 30 June. After an unbelievable 52 edits by 84.27.209.61, this information was unnecessarily re-expanded to include the same information requiring thrice the amount of space and thrice as prolix. I have re-consolidated the information, and have left both of the previously included images present. While I feel having both images is superflous, I can concede an argument for one from each region. I have removed the sizing specifications for the images to lend some actual legibility to them — otherwise they're coloured blogs of irrecognizability. — pd_THOR | =/\= | 11:40, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Episode references

The references to the episodes need to be consistent. Currently, they are formatted in a few different ways. We should probably standardize them. Each episode reference should have the episode in quotes. I don't have time to do it now, just throwing it out there. One of us will get to it! --EmmSeeMusic 22:56, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Maybe you need to check the Ryan Wolfe parts cause i swear he left the show because he got shot in the eye? Does he come back in series 5? I don't know because series 5 isn't in the UK yet.

CSI: Miami has morphed with Star Trek! I recently watched this season's first episode (2006-07). Evidently, they would have us believe that Caine and that other guy solved the crime by running around Rio, all in daylight, and then returned to Miami, again in daylight, wearing the same clothes and so evidently the same day. I checked on Expedia and the quickest flight I saw was 8 hours, but I actually have no idea how long it takes to fly from Rio to Miami. Either that, or, they used the transporter from Star Trek.Dunstanramsey 05:07, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Other Goofs

I've seen a Miami episode a week ago (not sure about recency), where a young modeling agency employee is killed when she puts lipstick on that is laced with cyanide. During her convulsions, one of the characters (I think it was Delko) states that there is no antitode for cyanide poisoning to another while they both watch her die in the interrogation room.

If someone knows what episode this happens in, perhaps this could be added in the Goofs section. — Dorvaq (talk) 16:49, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, depending on how strong the dose was, it might have been untreatable, but it probably was a goof, as there are treatments for cyanide poisonoing.--Vercalos 01:32, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Marisols last words

I've just seen the episode where Marisol dies, and I don't think her last words as described in this article are correct. They were something like this:

H: I've got a dinner apointment tonight. M: Casa Tua? H: Casa Tua. You're not going to stand me up, are you? M: Wouldn't dream of it.

--84.107.147.58 20:47, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Other recurring characters

Shouldn't Walter Resden and Joseph Ratner be included under recurring characters? I'd do it myself, but I haven't watched the show enough to give a summary of either character(having only a vague idea who Resden is, and no clue who Ratner is).--Vercalos 01:13, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't Raymond Caine, Jr.(currently played by Carter Jenkins) count as a recurring character, too? Baldwin91006 02:21, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I would think so, even though Carter will now be seen on CBS" new Vegas-style drama "Viva Laughlin", but if THAT show gets cancelled, then we'll all wait for his return as Horatio's troubled nephew...Michaela92399 02:42, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rap Sheet

In the episode called Rap Sheet, a bodyguard is shot and killed. The team believes that the shooter was after the rap singer whom the body guard was protecting, and they later get a match when the singer gets shot at again during a drive by. However, in the end, it turns out that the shooter wasn't aiming for the singer at all, just the body guard, who he was under order to shoot down. If that is so, why did he try and shoot the singer again during the drive-by shooting? JackOfHearts 04:15, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Airdates of CSI: Miami

I have listed Airdates of CSI: Miami for AfD. The nomination can be found here. Thanks. -- Wikipedical 20:44, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Eric Delko

Why is he already under discontinued characters? He's not dead yet! Zazaban 00:54, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree. I mean he looks like hes dead, but who knows. Looks can be decieveing.Disembarkedone 02:18, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
According to this link http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/02/05/earlyshow/leisure/celebspot/main2431611.shtml "We come close to losing him and it takes us two hours, two Monday nights to fix the story and get him back to health and, thank God, we do because he's very important to us," Caruso said." I have reverted back the edit. Disembarkedone 02:27, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


wait so he doesnt die next week?


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so much for a cliffhanger

someone should really put a spoiler warning here :p SniperSarge 00:44, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

My onscreen tv-guide says someone dies on the team, and no one else has a near fatal wound. --TeckWizParlateContribs@ 00:53, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Never trust TV guides. They're so full of speculation and hype that it amazes me. I've heard nothing about the actor leaving the show, and believe me, that would be significant news for such a popular TV series. So don't bury poor Delko until they do so on screen! (And even then don't trust it too much. They buried Ray Caine, didn't they?) DreamroseTavua 17:48, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Out of control trivia section

I've removed the trivia and goofs section as they were massively overloaded with useless information. A few bits could be useful in expanding the main body of the article, but very few. In the interests of preservation, I'm moving the stuff I cut out to Talk:CSI: Miami/Trivia. See WP:AVTRIV and WP:TRIVIA for Wikipedia community stance on this general issue. Mangojuicetalk 04:10, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Calleigh Duquesne

Can anyone confirm Calleigh Duquesne's rank? Other contributers say that she is a lieutenant now (i.e., Horatio's rank). Is this true? If so, in what episode did her promotion take place? DreamroseTavua 20:38, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Levels

Are Detective level higher 3 or 1? If it's Level 1 detective, are that higher then 3. level detective? --81.197.166.21 18:33, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Assuming that it follows the same pattern as in CSI: Crime Scene Investigation, a level 3 is higher in rank than a level 1. Example: In CSI: Vegas, Nick Stokes was promoted in the pilot episode to CSI level 3, and in the series two episode "Chasing the Bus", he recalls his first crime scene as (quote) "CSI-1, as green as can be". Editus 11:47, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New noticeboard

A new noticeboard, Wikipedia:Fiction noticeboard, has been created. - Peregrine Fisher 18:02, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

This noticeboard has been deleted per Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Fiction noticeboard. Please disregard the above post. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 11:27, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Horatio has a son?...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I heard from the TV critics press tour in L.A. recently, the opening episodes concern Horatio's discovery that he has a son he didn't know existed(played by Evan Ellingson)...

Is this true?...if so, will it be added here to the CSI:Miami page later this fall?

Thanks, Baldwin91006 02:25, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

  • If Horatio indeed has a son, then that information will be added as soon as the relevant episode airs. DreamroseTavua 15:19, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Filming in LA, as a money-saving exercise?

I'm not american, but even those of us in the UK know, California is on the West coast, and Florida is on the East.

How then, can we justify the suggestion that "It is filmed primarily in the United States, mostly in the Los Angeles area (due to cheaper production/studio costs) and of course, all around the South Florida/Miami-Dade area" in the first paragraph? Ok, studios might be cheaper, but I doubt it offsets the flying back and forth of people.

The statement is in the first paragraph; if it can be referenced, I guess it should stay (an instance where verifiability must come before sense, I'm afraid), but if not... it should go.

Thoughts?

-- (James McNally)  (talkpage)  22:29, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Yes, it is filmed in the LA metro area.

Actually, the series only films in Miami a few times a year. The rest of the time the program is shot in soundstages, on LA's southwest facing beaches and in Long Beach, which closely resembles Miami along its shoreline. (I am a resident of Long Beach and have not only seen the production crew with a great deal of frequency, but can often identify Long Beach locales in the episodes. Queensway Bay Bridge often doubles for a Miami causeway, and the art deco buildings and highrises on Ocean Blvd easily duplicate Miami Beach. The Long Beach Convention Center is used often for "event" and "festival" shoots, and the Port of Long Beach is used frequently for a more industrial look.) Naples is used a LOT. In fact there was a promo used oer and over culled from an episode where H shoots at a would be assassin from a balcony and glass breaks. That's at Rivo Alto Canal S. The assassin was across the canal at about the corner of Rivo Alto ad E Neopolitan Ln.

Barbergallery (talk) 18:15, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rank Structure

Is there some link to an actual rank structure? I've seen some edits where people are CSI's, scientists, undercover secret agents, and one for Voldemort (I am guessing the last one was vandalism). ;) - Arcayne (cast a spell) 22:06, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New cast regular:Evan Ellingson...

I just got word from the network that(if proven) Evan Ellingson will be a regular cast member for the rest of this season...so this means that Horatio will have his hands full trying to control his new-found son...Baldwin91006 02:52, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup of page

I would like to propose a major cleanup of this page as it is beginning to get cluttered and messy. The first thing I want to do is condense the cast list. What the article for the original CSI has done, and quite successfully, is to only list on the main page those characters who have appeared in the opening credits of the show, past or present. Any recurring characters are listed on a seperate page which is linked from the cast section. Any comments/suggestions/objections? -- Redfarmer 19:26, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree with your proposal. The original CSI is a good model to look at. Shawn W 02:34, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
I've begun a cleanup of the character sections. As a rule, only those characters who appear in the credits should be listed in the main article. Recurring characters should be listed in Minor characters in CSI: Miami. This is to prevent the main page from getting cluttered up by an infinite list of characters who have appeared in the show more than once. -- Redfarmer 14:54, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
I've noted that while this clean-up is for the most part pretty solid, there is the resulting issue with sections that have little information in them or just simply links. This is unacceptable, and the sections need to be developed out. that's part of clean-up, too. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 00:14, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
I still don't understand how you feel the Crossovers section could be expanded or why you feel there should be information other than a link in the episodes section. A wiki review of the original CSI article with this exact section found it up to wiki standards. How would you suggest expanding it? -- Redfarmer 00:23, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

OK, for the record, here's what I did today. I would love some feedback as I do not like the prospect of doing all of this by myself:

  • Cleaned up character sections by deleting enormously long and cumbersome titles, making it easier to navigate, and moving recurring characters to Minor characters in CSI: Miami article.
  • Taken out cumbersome information in the opening two paragraphs of the article and moved to sections of their own.
  • Added production section with information on filming locations, music, and crew. This should be pretty solid for now unless someone wants to expand with more information. I did not expand because I could find no more sources.
  • Added information on CSI franchise (novels, comic books, video game).
  • Added crossover section for crossovers between CSI: Miami and both the original series and CSI: NY. I don't see how this can be expanded without becoming an episode synopsis.
  • Cleaned up "See Also" section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Redfarmer (talk • contribs) 00:17, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for letting us know. The work looks really solid. Your edits exposed a few areas that need development (which I've marked with stub tags). Sections like the minor characters in the series, that link to another page, should contain a paragraph or so about what reviewers have noted about these characters, and essentially, why they even need a subpage in the first place. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 00:25, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
OK, I've been patient after being chided by someone on my talk page because they did not feel I was involving other editors in the clean-up through talk page discussion. However, after nearly a week, no one has said anything and the user who chided me and added section stubs in areas that really don't make much sense still has not explained their reasoning after I repeadetly asked them to. As such, unless someone responds in the next few days, I will begin condensing sections and removing section stubs like I planned to in the first place. -- Redfarmer 00:56, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

First of all, I appreciate your patience, Red. Some of us have lives outside of Wikipedia, and other ewdits consuming their time. I imagine there might be a spot more traffic over the weekend. I am very sorry if you interpreted my suggestions were in fact chiding; they were cettainly not meant as such. I perhaps should have gone into more detail about when I say you should discuss your edits, it means you can let us know what you thinks needs cleaning up, and get our feedback on that before proceeding, That way, you avoid anyone down the road saying, 'hey, what the hell is this guy doing, just getting all crazy with the article?' I've already said that your edits were solid, Red, and I still mean that. Dazzle us with your brilliance, and let us know what you want to do, so we can either agree wholeheartedly, disagree vehemently or offer little bits of tweaking to improve what you want a tad further. I hope that clears up a bit what i meant. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 07:11, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

After at least five times asking you on two seperate occasions you still have not explained to me why you think the episode section and crossover section are stubs. This is all I want to know. I have been asking you this both here and on your talk page and I feel like I'm getting a run around. You're the one who put the stubs in. How do you feel like they can be expanded further? -- Redfarmer 14:08, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok, who DELETED Carter Jenkins from the "Recurring characters from "CSI:Miami" list?...he's just as important as Evan Ellingson and the now-departed Brendan Fehr...please restore his name to the list...thanks...Baldwin91006 02:56, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

The recurring characters have been moved to a seperate article. If the character has been deleted there, you should ask on that talk page. -- Redfarmer 19:30, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kyle Harmon's mother is not dead

Sorry but I believe there should be a correction about the faith of Kyle's mother. I believe in Dangerous Son, the show never stated that his mother was dead. Merely that Kyle was in foster homes since the age of six. Horatio never asked Yelina "is the boy in contact with his mother". I am pretty sure about this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunrisecoming (talk • contribs) 15:04, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Theme song

The article states that Who Are You is the theme song to CSI Miami. If I'm not mistaken this is only the theme for the "regular" CSI: Crime Scene Investigation, while they use Won't get fooled again for the opening credits of the Miami version.

I'm not 100% sure on this, so I didn't edit it myself. Just wanted to bring the topic up.

80.123.30.109 (talk) 15:18, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

No it doesn't, read the article carefully. It has the correct information. An anonymous editor had made the changes you mention two days ago but I reverted it two days ago.--Fogeltje (talk) 16:18, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Apparently my browser had the page cashed, so I had to use Ctrl+F5 to see the current version. Shows up correctly now.
My bad, sorry.--Maef (talk) 12:58, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Popularity

According to the Guiness World Records 2008, CSI: Miami is the world's most popular tv show based on TV ratings of 20 countries, followed by Lost and Desperate Housewives. Is this article worthy?
I will post a scan of the page if requested but its probably copyrighted so I don't know whether I should or not. If you have the Guiness World Records 2008 its on page 184.
Spirallingspirit (talk) 21:23, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Looking for help writing an article about the spin-offs and crossovers of this series

I am writing an article about all of the series which are in the same shared reality as this one through spin-offs and crossovers. I could use a little help expanding the article since it is currently extremely dense and a bit jumbled with some sentence structures being extremely repetitive. I would like to be able to put this article into article space soon. Any and all help in writing the article would be appreciated, even a comment or two on the talk page would help. Please give it a read through, also please do not comment here since I do not have all of the series on my watch list. - LA @ 16:29, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Changes of actress portraying Natalia Boa Vista

Anonymous user 68.192.71.79 had changed Eva LaRue to Megyn Price on the CSI:Miami page. As I am a very new user, I only fixed it, and left a note for the user (trying to be polite). I did not report it or attempt to block them as I do not know how, and do not feel comfortable with blocking people yet - even though this did appear to be vandalism. Perhaps someone with more experience than myself would like to handle it. Bloo (talk) 06:34, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "however it is believed this is staged by Caine so he may more easily go after Ron Saris"

Is there anything resembling a source for this, or is it just random speculation? Zazaban (talk) 05:58, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

it is confirmed in CBS's behind the scenes video where David Caruso says "Horatio designed a staging of an event that will free him up to go after this man with a different license."
MyView (talk) 03:00, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Horatio's shooting

We saw a lot of this with Warrick's shooting on the CSI article - speculation with no basis in fact. While it does appear that Horatio Caine has died, we have no confirmation of this, and David Caruso is contracted for the seventh season, so it stands to reason that the status of the character should be listed as "unknown," since that is exactly what it is. Conversely, I believe the speculation about Ryan Wolfe's involvement in a possible conspiracy to fake Horatio's death should be removed, as this is, as of yet, a wholly unsubstantiated claim. 72.184.120.177 (talk) 21:37, 20 May 2008 (UTC)