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[edit] photos need improvement

There are some nice photos in this article, but it's a bit misleading because they all show him with his mouth shut.  :o) —Paul A 02:07, 27 Jan 2004 (UTC)

There needs to be a definitive picture, one of him actually doing what he does best: cramming a pile of cookies into his mouth and promptly spitting out all the crumbs and broken pieces. He never actually... eats the cookies, does he? --I am not good at running 02:00, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I think it's just hard to show it explicitly, since it seems that the puppet doesn't have a hole in its mouth... @_@


[edit] oreopitheus = cookie monster, a teapot tempest

The material on oreopitecus belongs on the page. Edit it for improvement, do not merely delete it.

No, it does not belong on this page. While the extinct bipedal primate you refer to did indeed exist and is really called Oreopithecus bambolii, I can find no references to it being called a 'cookie monster' (zero results in google) The rest of your material, being silly speculation as to how this creature might indeed be a cookie monster, is even more irrelevant twaddle. —Morven 19:20, 11 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Glad to see that you agree it _does_ belong in the article, after you deleted essentially the same material several times in rapid succession. First time I've ever been in an edit war. It's unpleasant. As for the changes you made, they deleted material intended for readers with young children (or indeed perhaps directly for slightly older children), contained 0 errors of fact and no outrageous claims at odds with current understandings in the field, and was amusing to the only child to whom I pointed it out. It is merely your opinion that 'the rest of the material' was 'irrelevant twaddle'. Others may disagree; the child test I conducted indicated that some children do. Wikipedia is not merely for overly sobersided grownups. I still think it belongs here, though perhaps it should have been prefaced with 'Wiki spoiler follows', or some analog, to save the joke at the end. I left out the explicit reference to Oreo's (the cookie) to heighten the incongruity and so the joke. Your change has done violence to that effort.
As for Google hits, there are multitudes to oreopithecus and quite a few to cookie monster in that context. Someone has even set up a mailing address for oreopithecus. Something connected with an evolution v creation web site, I think. Your googling may need some tuning. It is indeed the common name among paleontologists; but it is not 'a cookie monster' it is simply 'cookie monster', as in 'I think that cookie monster shows that bipedalism...". Look into the recently published book Upright (Craig Stanford, Houghton Mifflin, Dec '03) for some information on the current status of the assorted hominids/hominoids we've stumbled across, and what the current suppositions are in re the proper connection amongst them. It's a good read for the non-specialist and well done of its kind, by a pro. I found no major problems of fact or interpretation (though I disagree here and there, of course).
Sorry your sense of humor is bent. It has very much felt as though I were again jousting with my 7th grade English teacher who was also more Miss Fidditch than not. The material from the Jargon File is in all essence quite parallel as to humourous intent (whether achieving it or not is another question) though less so in connection to the TV character. However and why oreopithecus was named, it's my understanding that it immediately acquired the cookie monster cognomen directly from the TV show. The name, as overlaid on annoying computer programs of a type with various names, was on the other hand not originally cookie monster (per my own memory of the time) -- it was changed in various places and times to match that of the TV character. Yet the Jargon File material has survived, according to the history listing, for quite some time. Your standards are thus, even in Miss Fidditch mode, sufficiently inconsistent to be incomprehensible.
My advice is to lighten up. And, telling folks their material is irrelevant twaddle is hardly collegial nor Wikipedian, in my view.
Google returns nothing when I search for
"Oreopithecus bambolii" "cookie monster"
but I'll take it on faith that the name is actually used (google being, of course, not a index to the complete knowledge of humanity!)
I'm afraid that your addition seemed too much like nonsense, and since it came from a user without a login, maybe our collective senses here are a little too paranoid about vandalism of fact by anonymous users. Such vandalism happens a lot, including some quite inventive flights of fancy some people have added here -- fictional species, people, places, you name it.
You're also, understandably, mistaken about one thing. I didn't revert your work that many times. You see, myself (User:Morven) and another user, (User:Morwen) both reverted your change at different times. We're not the same person (indeed, we are opposite genders and live halfway across the world from each other) although the names are confusingly similar.
I apologise for the characterisation of 'twaddle', which was overly harsh. I do stand by my judgment of 'irrelevant', though; we do try for an rather more sober encyclopedic tone here, by and large, and in general stuff about oreopithecus belongs in its own article.
The difference between the Jargon File derived paragraph and what you added wasn't about the subject matter, but the style. Reporting ON a joke is encyclopedic; the Jargon File excerpt is in fairly encyclopedic style, even though the program it describes is quite silly.
I'd advise you to create yourself a username here -- people find it easier to deal with non-anonymous contributors, and your motives are less likely to be mistaken.
Apologies for the harsh words, —Morven 21:39, 11 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Morven,
Sorry about not noticing Morven and Morwen were different. It is, I presume, not a dead fall trap for the unwary with bifocals? As for being an anonymous user, I am not, though it appears that during a furious hour or two I had inadvertently become one. I am ww and have a long history of contributions to WP on topics aside from Sesame Street on which I am hardly expert having never seen an episode entire.
I too have googled looking for Oreopithecus bombolii and cookie monster and found nothing. My search report was based on the results of searching for < "cookie monster" hominid >, which does indeed return many results, the only one of which I looked at was one which claimed to be oreopithecus' email address.
On the question of humor. WP writers do not hesitate to include humor, both reporting on it and occasionally making it. I have laughed at several articles, or asides therein, myself, and so some of it has indeed survived review by others. I still don't think that the material now missing was inappropriate, given the article in which it appeared, the transparent (to adults) nature of the material, the reaction of my one (juvenile) test case, and the lack of affirmative factual or interpretive errors in it. Sorry to hear that both you and Morwen disagree. I do note that much of the Jargon File contains that same ironic overstatement, deliberate nonsense, 'Mark Twainian' if I may be immodest, sort of amusing perspective. Note that it was 'deliberate nonsense' of a particularly transparent kind; it served as a useful segue into a mini lesson on palenontology for the child tester I mentioned. The joke was appreciated, or seemed to be, more after filling in some of the holes. Kids like nonsense, even when (or perhaps especially when) it is deliberatly nonsense. Do you not remember elephant jokes, or tern jokes, or nearly all knock knock jokes?
Thanks for the less intemperate response. but I will end by noting that at no time, during this teapot tornado (till now), did anyone make even veiled reference to a concern about vandalism (reagardless of whomever was suspected of it -- anonymous poster or not), and that any attempt to engage in discussion on the point would have elicted from me a reasoned response. Indeed my ire was raised by the preemptory way in which you and Morwen reacted, without providing context of any kind. And, in response to my reactions (disagreeing, and protesting only, that there was reason for the content), I got nothing until now about your reaction having been due to a conviction of vandalism. Instead, there was only premptory judgement. Might this be a guide for the future, or is vandalism so rife that it must be made the default assumption?
Vandalism IS pretty rife, it must be said.
However, that doesn't mean we have to be so terse and speedy in chopping it out; this was clearly not a case of vandalism after all, and I should have behaved in such a way as to at least consider the possibility that it wasn't, whether or not I liked the text you'd added.
We all need a dose of reasoned discourse, lately; this place has been a bit too ... combative. —Morven 19:26, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)


[edit] Other uses

Besides cleaning up the article and making it more wikipedia-ish, I've remove many of the "other uses" or moved them to cookie monster disambig page. The ones I put back in, I cut down the included detail severely. My reason is that this is an article about the sesame street character... not a baseball player, nicknames in anthropology, rappers or a jargon file entry. Motor 15:24, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

I reverted this addition:

This phenomenon came full circle with the formation of Cookie Mongoloid, a metal band fronted by a leather-clad Cookie Monster doppleganger.

because a) it's an ext link that has nothing to do with the subject of the article b) it looks like advertising c) if Cookie Monster Vocals are really all that well-known and notable, then this kind of discussion belongs on an article about them. Motor 23:10, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures

Could the picture captions include the date of the segment/episode featured? Cuz I see some of the photos of Cookie Monster and he looks like a different puppet than the one I was familiar with as a kid.--207.236.66.194 19:31, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

There's no problem adding the dates, if someone can supply them -- but they aren't on the image information pages. - Motor (talk) 23:30:47, 2005-08-23 (UTC)

I think there is too many pictures on there. Ericisosocool 04:56, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] British usage?

What does this sentence refer to?: "He is not re-named in the UK however, despite the fact that the word cookie has a different usage there." What would the "different usage" be? From what I have found out, although "biscuit" seems to be the main choice of word, "cookie" doesn't mean anything else than the American word when it's used, possibly specifically "chocolate chip cookie".

I agree..that line is pointless. Also I made a minor change from toilets to bathroom stall in regards to the Family guy episode...Just seems to be more clear since both referenced shows are american and it isn't an american usage of the word 'toilets'

I changed this, as we all know "cookie" means a sweet biscuit, especially in the context of chocolate chip cookies. We also know Americans pronounce the last letter of the alphabet as "zee" instead of "zed", though as with "cookie" this might be because Sesame Street taught us so as children!
Pity there are no British children's shows that teach American kids about our language differences -- they all get dubbed when they cross the pond :-( Dave-ros 13:31, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cookie Monster Eating Vegetables

I put in a sentence within the discussion about Cookie Monster and eating habits that noted that he appears in Happy Health Monsters eating vegetables. It was deleted though. Any particular reason for this edit? Chloe Wong 02:37, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] In Cultural References and Parodies...

An article in The Wall Street Journal claims that the gutteral singing style in death metal bands is called "Cookie Monster Voice". [2]

I don't know that this is a 'claim' so much as it is what it's called (in other words, it really IS called cookie monster vocals). Should that be changed?

I agree, and I changed it from "claims" to "notes", although I guess you can also use "reports" or something that sounds more official. Also, their exact phrase in the article is "Cookie Monster singing" rather than "Cookie Monster Voice" when refering to death metal bands. The article uses "Cookie Monster Voice" to refer to the real Cookie Monster voice. Chloe Wong 03:54, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

In cultural references why is it important to say that the budget director is from Harvard? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Captainspirou (talk • contribs) 20:45, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] International section

I've removed the international section altogether for the time being. I have absolutely no idea what's being added or how to verify it. For all I know, IP users could be adding nonsense, or swear words... so it has to go. If someone wants to add back in such references, they will need to provide a reference in English that makes it clear what the character's name is in the relevant country. - Motor (talk) 11:45, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cookie Monster Collectablies

Should Cookie Monster Collectables be included in the article? I know there was a promotion by one group where they made 5,000 MonsterPiece Theatre Alister Cookies.ShadowWriter 17:43, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ght

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No, not usually. I guess you could argue it in some cases, but make sure it's sourced. CrossEyed7 23:49, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
BWAHAHAHAHA -Rebent 23:50, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Profanities on the page

Could someone please remove the profanities that appear in the Casting history and History and evolution section...I'm new here and I can't seem to edit them.. Thank you —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.241.142.194 (talk) 11:01, 24 January 2007 (UTC).


I tried to edit these as well but they didn't come up. It's very inappropriate....

[edit] John Lennon Reference

Should a reference be made to John Lennon's exclamation "Cookie!" (sounding much like in the Cookie Monster) during the song "Hold On" from the Plastic Ono Band Album? It's an odd cultural reference, but he says it. Editor437 05:42, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Coffee Machine

I do not believe "At the end of the sketch, the talking machine explains that it's wired with a security system that's set to explode if it's tampered with." is correct. At the end, the machine explains that its purpose was to be the "... most powerful exploding machine ...". The part that had to do with being tampered with was the bell during the beginning. I do not know how relevant this information is to the article anyway. Youtube of video in question —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.45.111.51 (talk) 01:43, 27 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Inventor

Jeffrey A. Moss, who I gather is the inventor, at present garners not even an "other uses" from Jeff Moss (cricketer) (where Jeffrey Moss redirects). He was mentioned in a recent issue of the Princeton Alumni Weekly, I gather, as one of the most influential of the university's alums. I see an opportunity. Schissel | Sound the Note! 02:44, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

ummmm... HUH? AUTiger » talk 19:55, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Originally named Sid

It should be added that Cookie Monster was originally named Sid before he got into cookies, as documented in this BBC news article (at the very end). Scorpiuss (talk) 17:16, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Om nom nom nomm

I think someone should add something about this phrases popularity as an internet joke and meme. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.112.98.253 (talk) 01:03, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] cookie monster wants to legalize it.

the cookie monster in many of his shows shows obligations toward the marajuana industry —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.179.150.105 (talk) 21:57, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

So that's where all of the hash brownies went! --66.102.80.212 (talk) 12:37, 25 May 2008 (UTC)