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[edit] 31 Jan 7 question: Isnt COAD her 2nd album 2 not have a title track?

In the Trivia section is this:

  1. The album is Madonna's first studio album since her eponymous debut album to lack a title track. Bedtime Stories can also be technically included as the title track on that album is actually called Bedtime Story.

Her debut album Madonna/First Album( what is is called in Europe) didnt have a title track, so then isnt COAD her 2nd album w/ no title track?208.58.196.156 18:56, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

No. Bedtime Stories also didn't have a title track. So it'll be her third.

[edit] hahaha

I'm sorry, I just found this sentence to be exremely funny: "Confessions called in included cheating lovers, defecating on dead insects, and a few love triangles." Just exactly who defecates on dead insects? K-UNIT 08:46, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

I think that this should be merged into the "Confessions on a Dance Floor" page, only because the song "New York" does not have a chart trajectory. It received no significant airplay and therefore is irrelevant.

[edit] I found that "Push" has similar melody to "Every Breath You Take"...

I analyzed the two songs very closely and indeed "Every Breath You Take" and "Push" have similar melodies/lyrics...72.130.198.232 02:46, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

That's because "Push" borrows from it. I tracked down some kind of reference for the statement. Thanks for your contribution, but keep in mind that Wikipedia has a rule about no original research. Thanks. Jkelly 04:03, 12 November 2005 (UTC)


actually, I just heard an interview with Madonna and she said that that song did not influence her song at all.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.28.212.100 (talk • contribs) .

The lyrics of Push and Every Breath You Take are very similar... Anyone can deny that, including Madonna... But still it is proven that the melody is relative to Every Breath You Take 72.130.198.232 03:45, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

do we have a link or a source pointing to this statement? the lyrics and melody may be "similar" to EBYT but we probably should not mention that there is a direct correlation without a source. actually, the same should go for the Stardust, Jacksons and SOS Band references. the only sample that is creditted anywhere is the ABBA one. -- eo 20:52, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
I reversed to the correct song notes. The ABBA sample is the ony one. --Red-Blue-White 22:10, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, RBW! I re-added the wikilinks. Also, in the "Push" description... it looks like a word was accidentally left out of this sentence. Did you add this to the article?
Madonna's borrowing was done without notifying Sting, who did not after being informed. Errr... Sting did not.... what? care? laugh? throw up? you get the idea. -- eo 22:29, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
(I'm not responsible for the Sting part in the article...) Sting is one of Madonnas best friends. Obviously she wouldn't steal from him. Parts like "Every move I make - every step I take" (or similar) are not unusual in English lyrics. (Listen "Together again" by Janet Jackson.) --Red-Blue-White 22:59, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
Yes, I understand that - all I meant was that it seems as if there is a word missing from that sentence. Didn't know if you knew what it was  :-) -- eo 01:04, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
I don't know the missing word - but I found the Fox article: [1] --Red-Blue-White 03:50, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
Don't blame the non-native speaker. The unintelligible sentence was probably my bad. Jkelly 04:00, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Wow. These two songs sound NOTHING alike.

[edit] Page looks disorganized

Could you probably clean up the article a bit? 72.130.198.232 04:34, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

I just gave it a shot. Jkelly 16:46, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] tables

just explaining a change I did on this page... please refer to Wikipedia:WikiProject Music/Tables for charts regarding the tables for chart activity:

  • please do not separate US charts from other countries
  • boldfacing of any chart number (especially number ones) is discouraged)
  • please no use of "#" symbol to abbreviate "number"
  • the iTunes chart really is not a major or "official" chart of any country

-- eo 23:39, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] chart trajectory question

Just curious to know which version of the album is being tracked for the iTunes chart? I noticed they are tracking the mixed and unmixed versions of the album seperately... at one point they even occupied positions 1 and 2. Has iTunes combined the two? And since the iTunes chart is updated daily, how is the weekly rank being determined? -- eo 17:26, 23 November 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Like it or not

the last chords of Like it or Not are the same as the intro to papa don't Preach, and some words in Hung Up are straight from Love Song (Like a Prayer)


[edit] Too little information

there's too little information on the album in this section. Sure we can do better? Maybe a line on its huge international success? Who cares if it's part of a row of 10 albums debbing at #1 in the US? Maybe it's more relevant to this album to say that it has the world record of #1s ever (38) and that it sold 2M in two weeks in Europe.

A bit more abouut the songs would be welcome too

[edit] #1 in many countries?

I think this page should be thoroughly revised. It contains inaccurate information. For instance, in a country such as Lebanon, there are no official sales charts. Thus, it's absurd to affirm that this album reached number one there. This makes me question whether the album did reach number one in most of the countries that have been listed (40, you say?).

Read the Guinness Book of Records next year- both Hung Up and cOAD enter the book as the greatset chart toppers ever- COAD with 42 number 1s and HU with 41... Also HU enters the top 10 best selling singles of all time (best selling ever since Candle in the Wind), the Confessions tour enters as the greatest grossing tour for a woman of all time (and certailnly the greatest grosser per concerst) and fastest selling tour in history. Not bad, 5 world records in a year... Maybe they should enter her as the gretest record breaker in a year ever- that would make it 6... Also the total sales is about to be updated (though engociations with the IFPI and WB are still on the table whether to enter 'in excess of 200M albums' or 'more than 300m records' or 'between 325 and 340 million records', whichever, it's gonna put an end to old disputes).
COADF reached #1 in 29 countries... [2]. The paragraph above sounds like it was written by a Madonna sycophant. She's not God. BGC 13:45, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


Again- that is from a Ruter bulletin, which reads 'debbed at #1 in 29 countries' and is dated 3srd April. Check Reuters. Also, magazine articles are NOT facts- in fact, there is a list of #1s and add up to 41. If you want you can check chart by chart!!! Once you've counted them, then you can still quote Billboard article, and that would not mean much would it? Whatever Billboard count/dsay/report/copy from other articles (see below)it went to #1 in 41 charts- that is written IN THE CHARTS (1st hand source), a journalist may get numbers from anywhere, or even make them up. If we say it went to #1 in 41 charts and there are 41 charts where COAD has been at #1- that's a fact. Just go on each chart and chek...
Can we stop taking everything a journalist say as a fact? Unless it's an official bulletin, journalists can write facts, as well as rubbish, opinion, old data, utter nonsense. especially when the source is not given. OK, in this case Billboard's source was traced, and it is ok 9but very old!), but it seems that everything a jourbnalist writes is teh word of god!

[edit]  !?!

What part of LEBANON HAS NO OFFICIAL CHARTS don't you get? How can we report this page to a senior editor?

Lebanon does have a music chart, that is based on Britain's BBC Radio 1's chart and here's the online link. It's still running despite the war. It's Lebenon's Radio 1 Chart.[3] No need to shout and be rude. Lebenon does have a music chart, actually it has more than one but this is the most popular, COAD and HU have topped all charts in Lebanon anyway.

[edit] 'Reception in the United States'

Is this really necessary?

And, if so, could it be cleaned up? The prose is rather juvenile. PatrickJ83 05:44, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] POV

Once again, fans will destory this article, saturating it with words such as "impressive" and "modest" which do not belong in an encyclopedia (unless it is quoted from an expert). See NPOV. Oran e (t) (c) (e) 02:48, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Ok I'll clean it up--hottie 22:42, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sales

I read 10M here for COaD, I thought it was 9M shipped. Is there a source for 10M? Not that I don't trust it (it was 6.3M 5 months ago...) but would like to see a source.

Once again, Madonna's Looney Ass Fans have inflated album sales. "COADF" is still at 7 million sold worldwide. It has not been certified 8x Platinum.

I didn't need an update on what Media Traffic says, thanks, I know for sure that there are at leats 2 countries missing in Media traffic counts (Germany and Italy, with a total of about 1.5/1.7M) plus another 40 countries whose sales they do not take into consideration. I was talking about IFPI/WB numbers, which are official. Please don't come back with Media Traffic's 7 something million sold- that's in 21 countries out of the only 23 that make up the ESTIMATE chart, which don't even include the whole of the EU. Shipments are a much better way of assessing sales than a website that gets second hand information from only a part of the world market, and they got it SO wrong so far with sales, that if you compare their end of year chart with the official chart (IFPI) you'll find that their chart in wek 5 hhad already underestimated COAD's real sales by 2.3Million, R William by another 2 Million, Eminem another couple of million and Cold Play by half or 1 million, I can't remember - that's official, and overestimated Greendays' by about half a million.... When the real official data came out, the credibility of Media Traffic crumbled... I would like to see where WB declared 10 million, and I would like to see people stop trying to count exact retail sales, and trust the IFPI and Record Companies, that are the ones in charge of this, rather than a website that has no official backing whatsoever by record companies, retailers, other charts, the IFPI or any artist- therefor it's just for 'fun'. True they collect data from some charts, but of the 32 charts mentioned, only 21 provide reliable data, and some do not themselves have exact sales numbers (well actually, only a handful have exact sales numbers- namely UK, US, Jap, Fr, Ca, maybe Oz- though ebven there I think exact sales are not cvounted) and ESTIMATES for all the others. Estimates can go wrong and did go dismally wrong in 2005. IFPI/WB, I want declared official facts, not guesses, their guesses are as good as mine. Moreover, I'm not interested to hear the usual story about shipments/sales- shipments are of course above sales, but not millions above- in teh end albums are shipped ON REQUEST- Record Companies do not force retailers to buy them, retailers REQUEST shipments through distributors when their stocks are running short- the difference between shipments and sales when an album is still selling well is simply the difference between empt stocks and filling ones- these are not huge, shipments all over the world take place every single day for albums, only record compaies don't update daily, and WB are actually always behind, so, if they declare shipments of 9 million (as I recall they did a couple of months ago) it means they've likely already shipped more, and those 9M are about to be sold out- or they wouldn't ship more as distributors would have no intereset in requesting them to leave them unsold. Easy market system, officially monitored, can't see why people can think record companies 'decide' how many copies to ship. If it's 10M shipped, it means retailers expect to sell them quite quick, or they would not have requested them. A few hundred K even more than a Million may be left at the end of the year as 'back catalogue' that is about it. Moreover, the first shipments are based on vague expectations, but within a few weeks the process adjusts itself. WB shipped 6.3 on Xmas week. 700K more by 7th Jan- , 9+M by April or so. Retailers are not suicidal and would not have requested 2/3M shipments if they still had not sold the first 7M. Whatever media Traffic guestimate. They don't pay the money, they don't earn it. Reatailers pay, Companies earn, the IFPI make sure taxes are paid and everything is legal - that IS the music business, Media Traffic have no role in it at all. This said, I've always said Media Traffic CAN be used as a general indicator of an album's or single's success, but it makes me laugh when people say an album has certainly sold 2,567,894.56 copies because it's on the United world Chart-NO IT HASN'T! That is NOT a fact- it's an estimate based on second-hand information and estimates (!!!!) from part (not the whole) of thye World Market. And son't read the 'official world chart' caption- there is no official world chart- they have no official backing as said before- only an end-of year official chart- that is from the IFPI. So, back to my question, has anybody got a WB?IFPI bulletin about the 10 million? Or is it an estimate?

Until Warner Bros. records says that COADF has even shipped 8 million, then COADF has shipped and sold just 7 million!. You can't just inflate album sales and certifications just because YOU think she has shipped that much more than what she has sold when it hasn't even become official from her record label yet. She has probably shipped just 7.5 or 7.6 million.

She has probably shipped just 7.5 or 7.6 million??? Uh, I hate to burst your bubble but it was stated in the April 2006 issue of Out Magazine that "Confessions On A Dance Floor" had already sold over 7 million copies worldwide. This information had to have come from Warner. A major publication would not just pull a number like that out of thin air from an unreliable source. Chances are the album's sales are around 8.5 million as of June 2006. Since an album has to ship more than it sells (common sense) I think it is safe to say that she has probably shipped at least 10 million worldwide so far. As the case with all artists (not just Madonna) worldwide sales totals are based on certifications/units shipped since it is nearly impossible to get an exact number of total world sales. All other Madonna albums listed on here are showing the certifications/units shipped for worldwide sales figures (as is the case with any other artist showing a worldwide sales figure). Media traffic and the United World Charts only calculate sales for about 21 countries.


Well Media Traffic count 4 countries and invent the others (only UK, Fr, Jap and partially the uS have exact data, even the US don't have total sales data from soundscan- all the other countries do not simply have week by week -sometimes month by month- sales data, and mT go by the charts and invent the sales as tthey think fit). So, Medioa Traffic count very little. Plus MT are not an official body, trhey are just a website. The iFPI are an official BOdy (actually THE official body) and officially declared sales of 6.3M for COAD in Decembber 2005!!! &M now is just stupide, as since then, COAD has shiipped 1M (2 but 1 not requested as plat) in the EU and another 800K in the uS alone- that means 8+M in plats and a million awaiting certtification (already shipped to the EU, but not requseted as platinum). That means DECLARED SHIPMENTS of 9.1M excluding the extra 70K shipped in Oz, all shipments in Canada, Southa America, Japan, and Asia, Russia, China etc since then. That we know from country to country, we get to at least 9.2M shipped, and still we have 30 countries to go. 10M does not seem unlikely at all.... Anyway, say 9.2M excluding Canada, Asia and South America, then approximate as you wish, but saying 7M is just spitting in e face of the IFPI, and THEY decide how many records an album sells, NOT Media Traffic (MT are not in touch with companies, distributors, ertailers, artists, charts, local authorities nor artists, that is, they are not in contact with anyone concerend, nor approved by any of these people). The IFPI ARE IN CHARGE of the whole recording industry (Companies, distributors, retailers, individual countries, and indirectly even artists and chgharts- some directly like the EU chart...). So, guess who has the right data? The editor obviously has chosen IFPI/Certification data, which is official and authoritative, against Media Traffic, which is an unofficial website with no reliable source of data, and very recently strongly contradicted by the IFPI themselves (let's remember that as per Dec 2005, MT had COAD at about 4M, the iFPI clearly stated 6.3... quite a major gap- so if they were almost 3M behind in 5 weeks, 3M behind official data in 30 weeks is the least we can expect) We will know the truth when the IFPI produce the next official chart.
PS anyone who doubts the 4M shipped to the EU, well, COAD has sold more than 3M only counting 3 countries in the EU, that is UK, Germany and France, adding Italy and Spain we already get tob past 4M, another 21 countries to go... likely to be 5M shipped already, only not declared yet... This should aslo tell you that COAD gets to 6M sold counting a total of only 6 countries (US+UK+Ger+Fr+IT+Sp+Oz), with another 50+ countries to go... thinking that it's sold zero in the rest of teh world and yet topped most of the world charts is just stupid. Sure we can get to 7 M adding a handful of smaller countries, and still another 40+ to go... even at 20K each, there's another million there and in most it'd sold well more than 20K.. I can think of at least another 10 countries where sales are around 50K or more...mmm, 10M seems to be realistic, 7M is just bullshit. Pus it's &M counting the extra US sales only since Jan, and the US is where it's sold the least.
  • I Guess You could say 9 million right now but that's it. It hasn't reached 10 million yet. I would like some more sources for the sales of this album.
The new data at the bottom with country-by-country certifications is quite coool. Yes, it adds up to well over 9 Million- so I suppose I'll take that as an answer to my query- It must be about 10M or so. Thus the data seems to be right on the album page.
I see it's 4 Million in Europe not counting about 10.15 countries- so it must be well past the 4.2M stated there (and it's 1.5 in the UK, though only 1.1 declared, as shown in the list, and well past 500K in Italy, though not yet certified for it- so, only with up-to-date data, it gets to 4.4/4.5M in about half the European countries).
The Media Traffic data now becomes even more of a joke, as they will not count the sales of the week it spent outside the chart (they only count sales the gusetimate when on the chart)...
  • The album has only made 8 million worldwide. The source is on the article page.--172.168.202.49 00:21, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, Billboard online in a recent article stated that Confessions On a Dance Floor has sold over 8 million copies worldwide. That number could be higher since Warner Bros. has not re-certified or made any sales figures available recently. Such as in Europe, Confessions was certified 3 X Platinum in January and many other areas have not be re-certified since January/February so it is safe to assume sales and shipments have increased since then but until Warner Bros. decides to give us any official numbers we have to use that source as an accurate sales figure. MJW 20:08, 22 July 2006 (UTC)MikeinrdgpaMJW 20:08, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


Also, that very paragraph from the Billboard article comes from a press release from WB which dates at least as back as 3rd April, and was released when the tour was announced. Proof is a press release in the Italian press (but tehre are releases elsewhere) dated 3rd April. Exactly the same words (word by word) as in the Billoboard article, this time with the source (communicato stampa=official bulletin) dated lunedi 3 Aprile (Monday 3rd April) Check it out ::::[4] Looks like billboard just cut and pasted old info 9which is what journalist do), with very little cutting and a very old source. not their fault, as WB are not regular with updates. So, it was 'more than 8 million' on 3rd April 2006- that's from the horse's mouth...
  • The article says September172.162.225.141 05:12, 5 September 2006 (UTC)


Again, basic media studies. When the article was written does not matter. It's when the DATA was published that matters. The exact words in that article appeared in a Reuters bulletin (bar for the debbed rather than peaked in at #1 in 29 countries0 dated 3rd April 2006 and officially released by WB. I've laready posted the article in another discussion, not going to re-post it. Now that is official data. More than 8m albuums sold, yes. It's also dated april. Reuters publishes official bulletins, Billboard does not. end of story. This is meant to be an encyclopedia, not hello Magazine. It needs to source things proplerly, and where there is an official source, always stick to IT, not to newspaper articles (unless the source is given)...
  • YOU dont make any sense! First you say "try to find an official source" then you go and find a source form some insane website that is no where near as credible as you think! You just find any source you can to inflate Madonna's sales! Like I Said, the album COADF has made it to #1 in JUST 29 countries and sold just 8 million worldwide, according to OFFICIAL sources Billboard and WB (HER OWN RECORD LABEL!)
You really are confused aren't you? That magazine quotes the Guinenss bokk of Records for the number of #1s- THEY are in charge of counting worldwide reciords, Billboard are ONLY responsible for THEIR OWN CHARTS (US ONLY, thanks). Add EU+North ameruica and you get to more than 29 already dear. They also quote REUTERS (official wiorldwide information agency) for sales in April 06 of more than 8m. Now , these are official data, Billboard has no fooiciality at all apart form wwheretheir charts are concerned. That is it! If you could read, you would notice that the WB bulletion does not say that COAD has topped 29 charts, but that it debbed at #1 in 29 coubntries (31 charts already including EU ans woeld). It did not deb at #1 in all the charts where it was #1, in 10, it went to #1 later. Easy to understand, isn't it?
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.69.240.200 (talk) 18:17, 17 January 2007 (UTC).

Does the 4 million for Europe include the sales from France & Germany??? if it does then you're counting it twice

[edit] Merge from I Love New York (Madonna song)

The song isn't being released as a single, the article doesn't establish any other sort of notability and this album article is relatively short (in terms of text), so I don't think there's any need for a separate article. Extraordinary Machine 13:52, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Platinum

Hi. I'm pretty sure "Confessions on a Dance Floor" is platinum so far in the U.S., not double platinum as is written near the bottom of the page.

Yes, Confessions was certified platinum back in December 2005. It has sold 1.5 million in the U.S. (June 2006) but has not been certified double platinum yet.

-Well, certifications are for how many units are shipped. I hear there's been atleast 1.8 millions copies shipped so far, so maybe we well see it go double platinum soon.

Correct.

[edit] 4 platinums in Italy- going Diamond

The Italian Branch iof the IFPI (FIMI)certified COaD 4plats going diamond (400K) in may, here's the link [5]so, in the list it should read 4plats, it was certified plats 2 months ago (by week 25) as you can read from this extract from the article

"Confessions on a dance floor" è in Italia al 4° disco di platino ed è stabile nelle prime posizioni della classifica ufficiale di vendita degli album da 25 settimane..

That is

COAD has been certified 4 plats and has been in the top positions of the chart in the 25 weeks since its release.

That means it was 4 plats when the article was written 7 weeks ago...

So, the list should not read Plat in Italy, but 4XPlat.


[edit] Ireland 4plats is 240K not 60K

Same list as above, Ireland is 4plats, which is in excess of 240K not 60K as stated. That brings the Euro tally to more than 4.5million.

[edit] NOT DISPUTED

I noticed the sign saying that the data is disputed (9M). well, a Reuters Bulletrin said more than 8 million sold on 3rd April (when the tour was announced). We are unlikely to get new updates from WB soon (they tend not to be too fussy about updates), and may have to wait till February to have a next update grom the IFPI.

I did not mean to dispute the data when I said it's going Diamond in Italy, in fact, the sales seems to be correct, it's just that the 1 plat is OLD.

This list appears on other encyclopedias that are not tampered with by users (expert.com for example) and is compiled according to certifications. With MT estimeting 7.5 or so in 23 countries (22- Germany is actually EXCLUDED from MT data...)WB declaring more than 8m in April, IFPI saying 6.3 in December, we have two old official data (6.3, 8 months old, 8+ 4 months old), and a partial estimate (7.5), which all seem to back up the certifications count (9m) we have on other encyclopedias. As long as the data here is presented as 'an estimate based on certifications' the 9m plus, provisional till when an official update comes along, is ok. I do not dispute it as an estimate, but official sources do not yet confirm past 8+ (which in itself, may mean 8.1 or 8.9...) I don't think the sign is necessary. Otherwise we would need a sign like that for MOST ALBUM SALES reported on the site...

None of this matters. You still need to link to a reputable site where you got the information from, otherwise it's worthless. --88.110.189.21 01:47, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
My dear, I have [posted the REUTERS bulletin from 3rd April 06. Reuters is Reuters (official bulletin agency) and clearly sources it from WB. I think that's official.

[edit] sources

Could we get sources for every figure in this article, please? Orane (talk • cont.) 19:34, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Interesting how Orane is quick to request sources on this article, while in his own articles he takes the highest number suggested by fansites and third rate amateurish articles to be the truth, he disregards official data, and in fact, basically makes up articles from fansites, even posts on forums (!!!!!)... how reliable would that dat be? And plese Orane, don't censure anything that criticises you!
  • What are you talking about?!

[edit] iTunes Version

Was this album ever on pre-order status before its release?

I'm pretty certain that the iTunes Deluxe Version was on pre-order status before it's release. This was in both unmixed and mixed status, both including a digital booklet and the music video for "Hung Up". Istabo 18:12, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] COAD #1 in 40 countries- Guinness book of records

Ok, the article said 41 charts, then it reverted to 29 countries when Billboard came up with an article (see discussion in Albums section) which is a bad translation from a Reuters Bulletin dated 3rd of April (link in Albums discussions).

Really, the best way is to count the charts, not to take what journalists rehash as truth.

Anyway, this article quotes teh Guinness Book of Records as stating that COAD hads topped charts in 40 countries and Hung Up in 41, both being world records. The source is acknowledged, so i think we could write that in the COAD article (COAD is regarded by the GBoR as the greatest chart topper in history with number 1s in 40 countries- or something like that, as long as teh source is acknowledged) also Hung Up should report its entry in the GBoR. In the end, it is a huge achievement to smash 2 world records with 1 musical project! [6]

  • 2 things
  • That is an entertainment website with not as much trustworthy information as Billboard.
  • The article says she has only sold 120 million albums, yet when her record label supposedly claims she sold 200 million?172.162.225.141 05:14, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
The article is reportig an interview with the Guinness Book of Records. We all know the 120m has been there since 1988.
Billboard may be more 'prestigious' than this magazine, but it certainly is less, not morre, trustworthy, at least in this matter, as this article clearlty states sources, while Billboard does not. Newspapers are NOT proof of anything unless they report official sources. this article does, Billboard does not. I know lots of Wikipedia people would take anything from a newspaper to be God's own word, but it's not. Billboard, in that article, and I have already posted the original source- Ruters, 3rd April 06, trasforms Reuters' (official) 'debbed in 29 countries at #1' to 'topped 29 charts'. It simply did not deb at #1 in all the countries where it's been #1.Apart from that, the original source is OLD. No one can quote an official source and declare something wrong, everybody can take snippets from different sources and put them together hiding teh sources (in journalistic terms, 'cannibalising'). In this specific case, Billboard is reporting old news, already circuulated around teh world when the Tour was launched, and even incorrectly. This article is endorsed by teh Guinness Book of records. I know they won't listen to me, who cares... The Guinness book of Records will be out soon. As to the 120m, they are in the proces of updating it, but Madonna's sales have been pretty fast this year, so they are having a bit of a difficulty as to whether to try and be precise or be 'safe' (It should be either more than 200m albums or 325 m records, these are the two numbers the Guinness Book of Records are discussing with WB/IFPI, it's not a secret, you can just ask them. Apart from that, album sales have always been disputable, for all artists, and never 100% precise, #1s are simply countable, without even the need for a calculator, and it's quite funny that this very Wikipedia page says 29 countries and then lists 40 countries and 41 charts where it has officially been at #1. Have Billborad better calculators or is Maths an opinion? Are Billboard journalists maths experts? Do they take track of all the #1s in the world? NO. The Guinness Book of Records do, it's their job, not Billboard's. Again, this site is bogged down by attributing rights to the wrong sources (even blogs are used as proof at times) and disregard official sources altogether.... Nevermind, it's just a matter of time, at least on this matter.
  • LIES,LIES,LIES. EXCUSES,EXCUSES. The album made it to #1 in just 29 countries. Billboard gets OFFICIAL sources.
Bollocks. Billboard may as well use official sources, as all magazines do. howver, 10 it DOES MNOT STATE the source, 2) It DOES NOT STATE the date of the source, so, it is NOT official. on the otehr hand, the other magazine STATES the source. I don't give a damn about whether you think Billboard uses official sources, the simple fact is that it does not say so. The otehr one clearly says it's the Guinness book Of Records saying so, so, on this occasion, one article reports official sources, one does not. And billboard is the one that does not. The fact then that EVERYBODY can COUNT the 42 charts (40 countries) hwre it has officially been RECORDED as being #1, whatever Billboard say, that makes no difference whatsioever, each chart is in charge of its own business, Billboard are not the 'ruler of all charts'. Finally, when the Guinness Book is out, all this will be futile, because it will satate 2 new reciords for Madonna (3 actually, amybe even 4, but in terms of charts 2) and they are 40 countries for COAD and 41 for HU, both the greatest chart toppers in history, one for albums, the other for singles. So, I can't even be bothered to answer anymore, when people come out with silly statements like 'Billboard tells the truth'. They definitely are the autthority on THEIR chart, that is where their officiality ends. Sales are officially given by the iFPI, number of chart-topping, Tour revenues etc but the Guinness Book of Records, sorry, not Billboard.
  • NO ONE can count all the completly made up 41 charts that COADF supposedly went to #1 in. We got from her own record label (an OFFICIAL source) that the album made it to #1 in JUST 29 countries and sold just 8 million worldwide. You are making your self sound more and more of a whackjob everytime you respond. And please do not say that I'm "a Mariah Carey Fan", because i'm not.172.162.248.84 22:44, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Again, actually, WB said 'debbed' at #1 in 29 countries, that is from the Reuters bulletin, Billboard changed it into 'went to #1' in 29 countries. Easy slip in a way, if it wasn't that it topped charts in the week following its release. No-one can count the 41 charts? Well, someone did, because they are reported here, on expert.com etc... and the only thing you need to do is read the country chart, check its records, and count... ooops iit's 41 charts in 40 countries! GBoR confirm.... It's much easier to cound a few dozen charts than millions of records you know?

[edit] Numbers

I've removed the chart position, sales and trajectory sections as they're completely unsourced. Below the edit box on Wikipedia there's a messages that says "Encyclopedic content must be verifiable". Please follow it. Do not revert the deletion without adding links for each and every number. --Dtcdthingy 14:06, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Chart trajectory unsourced?

[edit] iTunes non-stop (continuous) mix

Can someone tell me if the iTunes non-stop mix maintains a fairly consistent BPM or if it drastically changes like the songs on the regular album? For example, the song Push is very slow compared to the other tracks. Does the non-stop mix slow down for this song or do they speed the song up to keep more in tempo to the rest of the songs? gujamin 13:15, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Opening paragraph was horrible

This is an encylopedia for everyone, not rabid Madge fans. The opening paragraph was SO HORRID it had to be reverted. Keep the intro short and sweet, not ludicrously long with nonsense about "points" and Mariah Carey. Nobody cares about that. If you all care about Madonna so much you all should strive to make the entries on her work as professional and to-the-point as possible. PatrickJ83 01:00, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sales Data

Sorry to start a new discussion, but the other one was hard to define where it left off. The total is now 11m, and this is possibly due to a few errors. Firstly, it quotes 4.3 million as European sales, which maybe correct - but then all the countries are listed separately too, so double dipping there. If you look at all the individual countries, well, it doesn't leave many counties left to be included in the 4.3 million. Some of the other sales are a bit off too. France has 750,000 shipped, so cannot have sold 900,000. Italy I believe is 400,000 as of late December. New Zealand is max. 15,000 but could be as low as 7,500 (1 x plat). UK is now 1.22 million. Until explained, I will not edit the data. 60.234.242.196 09:32, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

It is obvious that some of the current editors to the sales figures are non credible in their edits. Please remember that wikipedia is edited through verifiable sources, as to gain factual information. As this is not being done, all non verified resourcing will be reversed. 60.234.242.196 19:46, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Also as it is being blatantly ignored, the sales total will also be reversed when it is inclusive of the European figure, as this has already been accounted for in the individual countries. 60.234.242.196 19:49, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Once again. Do NOT keep reversing this, or I will get an administrator to enforce it. Data is accurate AND was resourced. 146.171.254.66 23:17, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Data for the Billboard link is NOT accurate as it is NOW outdated considering it was written only 8 months after the album was released. Billboard is not an official source of worldwide sales(Billboard is known for US sales only) any more than the two news sources I posted.(Which are CURRENT) Also Madonna fan sites(madonnatribe) are not credible sources of sales info. I posted two CREDIBLE and CURRENT sources where there was only one CREDIBLE source posted before.(which is now OUTDATED) 11 Million Worldwide[7][8] Bbmtn (talk) 00:10, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

The problem is that the sources being requested to be taken as reliable do not quote where they come from, therefore they can have come from anywhere - even wiki In reading them, the details are mixed and closely match the wiki article on Madonna. That does not make it as reliable as those already there. As pointed out in many of the arguements above - Billboard, Warner Bros, and the Official Madonna site(s) all specify 8 million sold. These are considered Subject Matter Experts in sales details. web reporters are not. Also as mentioned previously, there is currently only one site/group that is actively collecting sales dats worldwide. United World Charts sate 7.5 million sold as of end of 2007 [9]. Thus you have all the official sites saying the same thing. As per the wikipedia policy on verifable links, links sould come from sources that have knowledge on the subject 60.234.242.196 (talk) 05:09, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Like I said before The Billboard link is outdated and Billboard might be considered an expert in sales but that would be U.S. sales that they have expertise in not worldwide sales. The second link that keeps getting reposted is to a madonna fan site which is not reliable at all. The United World Chart ONLY counts 40 Countries(it even states so right on the site and the sales totals from The United World Chart only accumulate when an album is in the top 40 of their chart that week. If an album were to sell 80,000 worldwide one week but that wasn't enough to put in in their top 40 chart that week then that 80,000 would not be added to their sales total for that album.....That is how flawed The United World Chart's system is.Bbmtn (talk) 16:34, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Please read up on verifiable links. Your comments on why the existing links should be changed are based on speculation and opinion. At this point, the two links provided are not useable. If you can find a new figure from a verifiable source, then please add this. 146.171.254.66 (talk) 18:27, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Take your own advice! The madonnatribe(fansite)link you keep reposting is not verifiable whatsoever! And while Billboard is a verifiable source on infromation for U.S. sales it is NOT a verifiable source of worldwide sales which is the topic at hand.Bbmtn (talk) 22:20, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

This is partially correct. Someone had exchanged the official link with another. This has been corrected. Billboard is also not an expert of worldwide sales as said, but the link is not reporting to be from them, the link from Billboard clealy states the information is from Warner Bros - that makes it from an official source. 60.234.242.196 (talk) 04:54, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

I don't think this is relevant trivia:

While Madonna has performed the song "Let It Will Be" in numerous promotional performances and during her 2006 world tour, she has yet to perform the song in the album version found here. All live performances of the song have been based on the Stuart Price remix of the song, known as "The Paper Faces Mix."

Madonna performs remixes almost as often as she performs album versions of songs, and Let It Will Be is only one, rather insignificant, example of this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.68.109.244 (talk) 03:22, 31 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] 12 million copies? =

http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/derogatis/914872,CST-FTR-madonna25.article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.133.168.237 (talk) 15:34, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Deluxe edition journal lyrics

In the article, it mentions that the deluxe edition Confessions on a Dance Floor CD came with a journal that contained lyrics from Let it Will Be. However, I own the deluxe edition (as well as I'm sure a few people that have contributed to this page), and the lyrics in my journal are from Like it or Not. Were some sets shipped with different lyrics and doodles in the journals, or is this just a mistake? I think some sort of clarification needs to be made. If need be, I can provide pictures from my copy to prove that the lyrics are indeed from Like it or Not. 74.227.52.50 (talk) 07:30, 6 May 2008 (UTC)