Talk:Companions of Saint Nicholas
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[edit] Confusion, Needs Work!
This is a poorly written piece that conflates a lot of similar traditions into a single overgenralization. Krampus is not the same as Knecht Ruprecht, who is not the same thing as Zwarte Piet. I have done research in this area, and unless there's an objection, I will be rewriting this article, and probably be renaming it as well ("The Companions of St. Nicholas" probably).
--Writer@Large 17:01, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
I have initiated the move. Anyone who wishes to help with the redirects, please feel free! There's a few of them (mostly the various names of companions).
--Writer@Large 14:23, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Blackface
The emphasis on blackface is misleading. That isn't Knecht Ruprecht, those are Zwarte Piets, or Krampusse, his blackamoor slaves. This article should be focused on Knecht Ruprecht, w images like those found @ Paganism_in_the_Eastern_Alps.
Sam Spade 05:29, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
The details and controversy regarding Zwarte Piet's appearance are discussed in the entry for Zwarte Piet and do not need to be detailed here.
[edit] Croatia
I have added a small paragraph in the "traditions" section, it's all the information i have managed to gather about Krampus while i have been in croatia, though i have been there a while ago, i have only written the information i clearly remember, and have omited the parts that are blurry or i am uncertain of.
MRcool2035 14:13, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Modern perspective
I removed this uncited section from the article to this Talk page because it appears to incorrectly conflate Heiliger Abend (Christmas Eve) with Heiliger Nikolaus (evening before Saint Nikolaus's saint's day), which occur on different dates and have different traditions - changing to Heiliger Nikolaus, if cited, might fit in the article:
Christmas Eve (Heiliger Abend, "Holy Evening") thus became known as the time when children were best behaved, and the tales of Ruprecht gave a balance to the winter festivals which might seem disquieting to some, but which were not especially grim or atypical of customs of times past. The story is still popular throughout the German-speaking world.
-Wikianon 20:43, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Remove the bad poetry?
The poem "Farmhand Ruprecht" in the references section is quite poorly translated, and I believe that it subtracts from the overall quality of the article. A half-hearted effort to find a better translation failed to turn anything up. Would anybody object to this being removed? Or does someone have a translation available that isn't such a crime against English? Or do gems like "I spoke: 'the rod, it is here; / but for the children, only the bad'" actually add something to the article that I'm missing? MattGif 15:37, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
- I added a better translation of this poem some weeks ago. Thanks! Wtroopwept (talk) 21:48, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
