Talk:College athletics

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[edit] Please expand

This article needs to explain the context, eg how did college athletics get started? What are the landmark developments since then? How do the three major governing bodies relate to one another? Why is it so much more prominent in USA than elsewhere? Landolitan 01:20, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I have done a good deal of research on this topic and plan to revise it. I have background sources that explain how college athletics official was started as well as the first organizations and events. These sources can be used in the revision of the "clubs" section. I'm also considering adding a new topic about the impact of college athletics in the United States and why it is so much greater here than in other countries. I believe that this article could do without the modern controversy section entirely, as it detracts from the purpose of the article. The overall purpose of the article should be to inform about college athletics, and not to focus on poor choices by certain individuals. Instead, I plan on discussing the debate over whether or not college athletes should be paid for their participation. Hopefully these changes will help to make this article useful. Krleslie

[edit] Clubs

"I think I've heard" but I don't know when Yale or Harvard (1853?) established a rowing club, Amherst or Williams a baseball club, as opposed to a team --which needs selecting but not establishing. Harvard established a college club sometime 1864-1866, led by the class of 1866.

This paragraph of shaky incomplete facts lays groundwork for the early period of many college sports, maybe all of those underway for a few or several decades in the 19th century and early 20th century, varying by sport, region, gender?

• class of '66 v class of '67 and other intramurals - I don't know this every attracted much outside attention; broadly, the institutions have left this level of competition to the students.
• college team composed of the best players from all classes
  • organized by a club with student members, playing similar college teams that represent the colleges in a sense
  • taken over by the institutions, leaving the students with class teams, etc
  • incorporated in athletic departments, probably distinct from "take over" at least from some sports some schools

P64 06:30, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Football v. soccer

For future reference, the rules that students used when they played soccer or rugby in the 1870s didn't "resemble" the rules of those games, they were the rules of those games, sometimes with minor modifications. To say that the 1869 Rutgers v. Princeton match "resembled" soccer is to assume that soccer and rugby as played by the official rulemaking organizations in England have not changed since the nineteenth century -- although they have changed a great deal. --Bbob07 16:54, 26 February 2007 (UTC)