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Contents 1 information regarding the DVD release is irrelevant and wrong 2 Music Issues 3 Left-wing Bias 4 Episode notability 5 Victims and end scenes 6 false statements without references 7 Conservative, traditional, religious bias??

[edit] information regarding the DVD release is irrelevant and wrong

The entry about the DVD release is incorrect.

1- Many other tv shows containing excessive music titles have been released on DVD. One of the best examples is the L word which contains almost the same amount of licensed music material as Cold Case do. 2- Producers "always" !!! do include the DVD and alternative broadcasting usage right to the loyalty agreements. So buying them for the dvd release wont be a problem. Let alone, the producers of Cold Case are very experienced in dvd releases. 3- The price information about the CSI series is absolutely incorrect. CSI season box-sets range between $24 and $64. 4- I didnt had the chance to go trough all Dawson Creek episodes but i can confirm that many of the episodes on DVD have the exact same audio/music with the aired episodes, including the series finale and the 01/01 episode.

so stop BSing about the DVD release. there is definately something else about it. 88.240.146.153 01:24, 3 January 2007 (UTC)MG

I've removed this. We have no evidence this is anything but someone's speculation. Jkelly 01:46, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Music Issues

To the first comment, you know absolutely nothing about the topic at hand. First of all, almost all the music on the Dawson's Creek DVDs have been replaced due to licensing issues. Go to http://dawsonscreekmusic.com/ and, right off the bat, that's the first thing that site will tell you. Second, the fact that you would compare The L Word's music selection to Cold Case's is just laughable. The L Word mainly features obscure music by mostly unknown or underground artists. The music is most likely very cheap to obtain and the artists along with their labels are probably more than happy to receive the exposure. Cold Case on the other hand makes use of very popular and very well known songs by well known artists. That gives the rights owners the option to charge insane amounts of money just to use them once. It's a very sticky, legal situation when using songs by artists such as Bob Dylan and Bruce Springsteen (who is notoriously protective of his music). The producers of the immensely popular Cheers couldn't even get the permission to use "Da Do Run Run" on their DVDs. And that's just one song. Do you honestly believe it's going to be any easier for Cold Case to get all their music on DVD? Yes, obviously it's the music's legal issues keeping the show from being released on DVD. That's not speculation that just common sense.--AtomicAge 19:37, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Left-wing Bias

Something should definitely be added about the extreme left-wing bias of the writers of "Cold Case": nearly every episode grinds some dreary politically-correct axe of the silly (especially feminist) left, and this needs to be documented as the fact it is. I will add such edits accordingly over the coming days. Carthago delenda est 01:55, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Such inclusions don't sound necessary, informative or productive. Sounds more like your own opinions based on your own personal biases and I don't see how it will be helpful to the entry or to anyone reading it. --AtomicAge 10:01, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Such inclusions are quite necessary. Those who routinely lie about their culture through propaganda are often quite apt to yearn to rule, eventually, along the lines of Joseph Goebbels. The producers & writers of this show are but little removed from his ideological lineage, albeit with an early 21st Century American-leftist bent. Your "commentary," such as it is, is appreciated: I'm more motivated than ever to make the necessary factual entries I described above. Carthago delenda est 03:01, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like original research to me. Without proper citations this can't be included.--Fogeltje 07:49, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't watch Cold Case frequently, but nearly every episode I have seen appears designed to promote a distinct world view and sympathy on issues of race, sex, religion, mores, progress of society, etc. This includes how it selects and portrays its villains and victims (or arguably stereotypes them). The formula is: make A victimize B (each with predictable characteristics) to imply something about the mores and background represented in A and B, in a type of Straw man argument. More solid references could be found, but it's partly summed up here[1] with links to episodes: '...one of the preachiest of the preachy cop shows has to be "Cold Case" on CBS. The show is consumed with such liberal preoccupations as anti-abortion activism, disturbed Vietnam veterans, transgender hero(ines), interracial lesbian love affairs, draft dodgers, McCarthyism and demonizing Christians' (the last lacks a link, but Google '"cold case" christianity'). Reactions from viewers of all persuasions are also at [2]. --File Not Found 06:54, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the original poster on this, the self-hating white point of view this show comes from had it falling very quickly into a plot trap, where the killer always turns out to be a racist, or a guy who didn't want his wife to vote, or some such nonsense that would have been passe even in 1955. Thanks to the person above who did the leg work to find plenty of published sources on this topic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.235.210.131 (talk) 06:30, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

When people write this way I can see They like to hide the truth All that happened and still happens... The problem is that Cold Case is one of the few shows that "SHOW" it. All the racism there is in USA, All those Christian who hate people who don't believe in God and homosexuals. When women had NO RIGHTS and were treated like animals... all That HAPPENED! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.226.60.72 (talk) 01:33, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Episode notability

Many or all of the existing individual episode pages for this series appear to fail the notability guidelines for television episodes, and have been tagged accordingly. These articles can be improved through the inclusion of real-world information from reliable sources to assert notability. Overly long plot summaries should be edited, to a maximum length of approximately ten words per minute of screen time. Trivia should be integrated into the body of the article, or removed if it is not directly relevant. Quotes and images should only be used as part of a critical analysis of the episode. You might also consider merging any notable information onto the show's "List of episodes" or season pages. Otherwise, when these pages come up for review in fourteen days, they may be redirected, merged or deleted. If you want any help or further information, then come to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Episode coverage. Thanks. Gwinva 15:58, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

On episode notability - I'm very happy to go through the tagged pages and improve them where possible, inline with the style guide. Also on this point - does Wikipedia need more Cold Case episode pages? I'm very happy to work on them if so. And to go slightly off-topic, should these episode pages be titled (Cold Case), (Cold Case Episode) or nothing at all? Don't want to tread on any toes - just a newbie offering to help out. Cheers. Fadeitup 17:39, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Victims and end scenes

This section is getting way out of end, existing primarily of lists of end scenes. The 'notable exceptions' slowly turn out into a list of anything that is not listed in the first list. In my eyes, both lists should be deleted, Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. A list does not contribute anything to the paragraph. While the starting paragraph is fine, the lists are not. Perhaps ONE or TWO examples can be given for further illustration and perhaps the same when the pattern deviates. I also have a problem with the 'notable unlikeable victims' list as it is heavily POV. My strongest objection is again the list which should also be removed and perhaps replaced with one or two examples. I think I will be bold and go ahead with these changes later.--Fogeltje 17:14, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I've chopped it down. I don't watch this page (nor the show itself, which is the schmaltziest junk on TV), so I'm sure someone will immediately restore it without me noticing. Adam Bishop (talk) 13:15, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] false statements without references

A lot of Canadians like to whine about this show, and I just removed an unsourced statement from one of them:

'and at one point the creators of Cold Squad launched legal action against the makers of Cold Case.'

Calling a lawyer and making a press release at the same time isn't a "legal action", it is nothing. There was no legal merit to that claim and no court case was won or even filed. Cold Squad was canceled and Cold Case is still on TV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.235.228.39 (talk) 07:49, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

First off, you should avoid making unwarranted statements such as what you wrote above, as it tends to weaken your argument. Secondly, the text has been tweaked and restored, along with several relevant, verifiable sources. Like it or not, it is a valid component of the article. Cheers. --Ckatz^chat_spy 09:38, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, Ckatz, for taking the time to comment and edit the page. I was unaware that this was an "unwarranted statement" I had made. If it was, it was at least partially because I had made my posting overly brief. I did not mean to suggest that Canadians were coloring the Cold Case Wiki page unfairly. What I meant (and failed to state directly, sorry) is that comments abound on the internet about this, especially on IMDB, where they tell it like Canada is the epicenter and genesis of all media and American TV shows are primarily just copies of Canadian shows. I have edited a number of true crime-related pages where they give a false report about a court action and that is what this was. When someone gets a threatening letter from a lawyer, it is often told later as "he got sued", which is a completely false statement. I delete those. Unfortunately, my edit to the Cold Case page was too broad, I just wiped the topic because it referred to a legal action that didn't exist. I didn't bother to take the time to rewrite and find sources to tell a more detailed version of the story (which involves no court cases whatsoever). You (Ckatz) have done that, telling about something that actually happened, and providing two hyperlinked secondary sources for it. Your recent edit has created the best version of the page, and I thank you for that. As for weakening my argument, the nationality of the person who pounced on my edit only proved my argument to be 100% correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.235.210.131 (talk) 07:09, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Conservative, traditional, religious bias??

Why this show supported so many gays and lesbians, all talking in a positive way? All gays and lesbians were innocent and kind-hearted and hated by evil normal traditional guy? Come on!! As fas as I know homosexual people was the people had the most metal or temper problems. Sometimes the "love" talked about in the show simply made me feel sick. Plus all the religious and traditional type became a serial killer freak type that kills people?? Wonder if the editor is kinda homophilic or left extremist, I think it has to be mentioned in the Show description, it is definitely not suitable for a lot of people. Society ain't like that. --137.189.236.67 (talk) 19:58, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

To the illiterate who wrote the comment above, what country are you from and how many wives do you have?

I traced his IP Address 137.189.236.67, it's From Hong Kong

Cold Case is a different show, It has a different meaning to protect minories and I won't waste any more time with such as***** person