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[edit] Dylan
What about the Dylan song of the same name? Do we disambigue (I wish that was a word) to the Dylan article? I know there's no actual entry on the song, but I came here looking for the Dylan, not the Cash. - Darkhawk
Agreed-- Dylan's version is a completely different song, as is the one referred to here for Townes van Zandt. In the beginning of TVZ's performance of the song from his 1977 album "Live at the Old Quarter," he explains that the song (the other version) is from a post-WWII era when it was commonplace to treat returning war veterans with cocaine, especially in New Orleans. It was also famously covered by Jackson Browne. The Johnny Cash-covered song referred to here is a completely different song. --Greensheep 21:41, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Burroughs
I'm going to remove the part about the Wille line being a reference to Burroughd. It (along with several others) is actually a line from a old folk song called Little Sadie.
[edit] Luke Jordan (not Dylan)
That is not a Dylan song, but a song Dylan covered. Luke Jordan first wrote it back in the 20s and the Rev. Gary Davis re-worked it (I think Dylan based his version on Davis's). So many others have played it as well.
I do think that this entry *must* refer to the other song of the same name.
[edit] Rev Gary Davis
This claim in the current page is incorrect:
"This song originates from Rev. Gary Davis, who Dave Van Ronk and others learnt the song from. Interestingly, the only recorded version from Rev. Gary Davis, recorded in later years is an instrumental."
In fact, the instrumental, as heard on Pure Religion & Bad Company was recorded in 1956. However, two other versions were recorded later, one in 1962 the other in 1964. Both of those were sung and not straight instrumentals. All three versions are available on Stefan Grossman's Country Blues Guitar instructional DVD. One of the versions (1962 I believe) is also available on the Demons and Angels three CD disc set. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jmaynardg (talk • contribs) 19:24, 17 April 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Several songs; one article
I suggest this article be organized as one article about several similarly named songs. ("Cocaine Blues is the name of several different songs, including examples attributed to TJ Arnall, Luke Jordan, and Rev. Gary Davis, each recorded by various performers.") Then go on to discuss each song. As it is now, this article starts out like it's just about one of these songs, but then finds it necessary to mention the others, as though thier existence was counter-evidence to the thesis.
A related issue is that this article is bound into the Johnny Cash mini-web, as though Cash's recording is the definitive subject matter of the article's title. (I.E., anyone coming here to read about "Cocaine Blues" is thinking of the Cash record; the others are side notes.) I personally believe the Gary Davis song is at least as well known. And user Darkhawk admits to coming here looking for something else.
Another solution might be multiple (3? 4?) articles with a disambiguation page. I think this is undesirable, as the separate articles would each be quite small. Thoughts? Hult041956 18:29, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Cocaine Habit Blues
This is the third song mentioned here, also called Take a Whiff on Me. I have started a page. The earliest recoding I can find are Lead Belly. It has the line "Cocaine's for horses, not for men, the doc says it'll killme, but he don't say when" Pustelnik 19:08, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] The Billy Hughes version
This article is supposed to be about the Johnny Cash song from his Folsom Prison concert, but since the song is credited to T.J. “Red” Arnall from Slumber Nichols’ Western Aces, it should probably mention the Billy Hughes version, also said to be written by Arnall.
The Hughes version is much more graphic:
- “I heard a man calling my baby’s name.
- I opened up the door and I blew out his brain.”
It is also more sympathetic to the main character:
- "I come home from work in that old Tulsa town,
- I caught my baby traveling and I shot her down."
and with the plainclothesman telling him:
- “You shot your woman and a rounder too.
- They may have had it coming, but it’s bad for you.”
and the Cocain Kid replying:
- "But under those conditions I would do it again."
It may be that the Hogsed version (the one recorded by Cash and others) was directed toward the general public and the Hughes version directed toward the Okies in the Central Valley, since only they would have known where and what “Mac” was and would have needed a reason for the sentence being only “ninety-nine years” instead of the electric chair. TestsPoint (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 14:47, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
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