Talk:Coats of arms of Europe
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Instead of just a list of Europe's coat of arms, I would like to see an article with an overview of their history, common features, and possible influences or interactions between them, including the list at the end. NerdyNSK 12:46, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] What's a "holder"?
Question, what do you mean by "holder" of the arms? User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:36, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
- I was just wondering the same thing. What is a holder? John Anderson 23:36, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
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- For instance, the Greater Coat of Arms of the Realm, (or "Grote Rijkswapen"), is the personal Coat of Arms of the Monarch. That is currently Queen Beatrix, making her the holder.
- I know it might not be the best describtion, but the best I can really think of. Please feel free to change it, or give some suggestions so that we can discuss it. JackSparrow Ninja 23:43, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
- So you mean the government official, or office, that officially keeps the seal in their care? If that is the case, I get that easily. In the US, the secretary of state of each of the 50 states keep the state seal in their offices. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 02:08, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
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- I don't think every arms have a formal holder of that kind, especially not in republics. And a seal is not the same as a coat of arms. John Anderson 18:38, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
- Agreed on the second part. I usually look in the national laws about the national symbols to find out the person or body that is the official keeper of the emblem. That is how I found out about the Belarusian emblem's holder. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 19:55, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
- I don't think every arms have a formal holder of that kind, especially not in republics. And a seal is not the same as a coat of arms. John Anderson 18:38, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Cleanup needed
This table is in need of cleanup. Somebody changed a headline from "motto" to "text" so most of these entries are now incorrect. The "holder" category is also problematic, since many of these insignia have no official holder unless we consider the "Kingdom of ..." sufficient. It would make more sense to change it to a column mentioning the introduction of the current symbol. Alternatively, the column should be removed completely. Valentinian T / C 11:14, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Many holders
What if there are several office holders and organizations entitled to use a coat of arms, shouldn't all be listed ? (For example - see Latvia, article on coat of arms lists who can use it) -- Xil/talk 10:13, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
- While many organizations and offices can use the seal, what we are trying to get at with holders is the following: which official government body or official is the keeper of the current image/dies of the arms. The example I can bring is, in the United States, the seals of the various states are kept in the offices of the Secretary of State. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 10:18, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
