Talk:Coat of arms of Ukraine
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Ukrainian speakers also point out that the trident can be broken into four letters of the Ukrainian alphabet: В, О, Л, and Я, spelling "ВОЛЯ," which translates as "liberty" or "freedom." I can only see the "ВОЛЯ" with a huge leap of imagination. Is this a commonly held view?
[edit] Heraldry - Left and right
I'm not really an expert on heraldry, so please be gentle :)
But aren't the left and right supposed to be the other way around, from the point of view of the person behind the shield? So that the cossack is on the left (sinister) and the lion is on the right (dexter)?
Thanks in advance. --Amir E. Aharoni 19:19, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Renewed attempts
Take a look: http://zakon1.rada.gov.ua/cgi-bin/laws/main.cgi?nreg=283-2007-%F0. — Alex(U|C|E) 15:36, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
- It made the news. — Alex Khristov 19:23, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Origin and usage
It seems to me that the claim of the crest being of Turkish (Turic) origin is not valid since the symbol is not extant from Khazar data, and they were the major influence on Kievan state c.late 10th - early 11th century CE.
There is also no evidence of stylistic representation of birds in early Rus imagery, so clearly the suggestion that the symbol is derived from this is a very slim one.
The claim that this is representative of a trident is also slim since the weapon was not in use in Eastern Europe even in the Ancient times, and the borrowing from Greek mythology is also unsourced, and lacks logical ground since the Kievan state was not a maritime one. In Greece the trident was discontinued in use with the Christian era c.4th century CE, so why would it be revived in Kiev in the late 10th century as attempts at Kievan conversion were being made?!.
A far more furtive ground would be found in early Russian scripts and namely the ШТА or the ПСИ. The former (ШТА) is particularly likely to have been the origin of the symbol given the imagery that survived to the 16th century of 
which emphasizes the likeness in the droplet-like lower extension on the coat of arms evident even on this image Image:Yarthewise.png, which Psi lacks. I can think of only one contemporary symbol that may have been used as a prototype for the "trident" symbol, but would not want to spark controversy :o)--mrg3105mrg3105 If you're not taking any flack, you're not over the target. 02:48, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
