Talk:Club

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Can the paragraph beginning, "The number of regularly established clubs in London is now..." be safely omitted? It seems to be just a list of clubs current as of 1911, and thuse irrelevant to the modern day even in a historical sense. -- April

Probably. I just cut and pasted this one since I have an aesthetic aversion to empty pages, I don't know anything about the club scene myself. Bryan Derksen

And I'm grateful! The history of clubs is quite interesting, actually, and we may want to keep some sections of it. But modernizing the end of it will take work - there's everything from the club scene to chess clubs to cover. -- April

I removed three more paragraphs specific to turn-of-the-century English clubs. Historians can always go to the 1911 Britannica if they're curious. :) -- April

The article Club rhubarbs for ages about stuffy London gentleman's clubs, but next to nothing about the sort of ordinary sport or whatever club that very many ordinary people are in. I split off the Roman clubs section and the Greek clubs section onto separate pages.Anthony Appleyard 06:29, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

In the list of famous members of the Bread Street/Friday Street Club, I'm trying to add links for them all. I can't figure out who Beaumont or Fletcher are. There aren't any famous Beaumonts of the period in WP, and there are two famous Fletchers, both literary (John and Phineas). Can anyone with a direct knowledge of the club itself help me out? --Trinite 16:43, 13 Mar 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup

I placed the {{cleanup-date|September 2005}} tag on this page. I think it's too long and meandering--it need sections, etc. --Kewp 17:14, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

In response to the cleanup request, I split this article into sections, and rearranged some stuff to match. To balance it out, some material on ancient clubs may have to move back, and additional material on political and social clubs included. ClaudeMuncey 17:21, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Club (disamgibuation), Club, Social Cub and their relatives have an illogical structure.

The official club disambiguation page (Club (disambiguation)) is not very good. It is incomplete and only lists one category of social club, while discussing sports clubs, country clubs, health clubs and gyms at the same level of detail. For example, social clubs and country clubs are listed as distinct categories. This page (club) does a step further and gives disambiguation at a higher level of detail, which is necessary because there are so many types of social clubs, many of which overlap. Furthermore a search for "club" takes one to club not to club (disambiguation). The whole structure of the club subject is fraught with logical errors.

The Club (disambiguation) page does not have a link to Social club! That could be corrected, but there are other problems. In reality country clubs should overlap heavily and be cited extensively in the article, social clubs, but the latter ignores many classes of social clubs and partly social clubs.

Furthermore, Club (disambiguation) is inaccurate, since Gentlemen's club is a common euphemism for a strip club.

Again, there is no need for references in this article because they are provided in the individual articles. --Zeamays (talk) 20:42, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

I do not agree. The fact that individual articles have references is OK for lists, but this is not a list and it should be referenced. I have not reverted your removal of the tag, but I think we should try to get consensus here. --Bduke (talk) 22:08, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Zeamays that the club family is imperfect: the answer is to correct the errors and improve the overall structure. I agree with Bduke that this article, club, is not a list but a proper article, and as such should be properly referenced. There are articles I have contributed to in which virtually every section begins with a "main" tag, and one of the chief jobs of those who watch the article is to hone the contributions of the eager many, and direct their enthusiasm to the separate articles. One example is horse, which is long, but which nonetheless spins off as much as possible into daughter articles. Although the club family of articles is not likely to attract the level and rate of editorial additions that horse does, I think it is a perfectly valid method of controlling and shaping a group of information.

Two points of fact: gentlemen's club is a legitimate term with its primary meaning the long-standing one. They are still important features of the British establishment, not merely archaisms or historical footnotes. We have encyclopedic standards to maintain; it is entirely appropriate to have an article about strip clubs, and indicate that they are also known as gentlemen's clubs, but that is a euphemistic colloquialism.

Secondly, social club and country club do not overlap to a great extent in Britain, where I am writing from. If the former article is missing information, please add to it.

I have put many hours into some of these articles, especially club and gentlemen's club. Frankly, they were pretty dire before I decided to get my hands dirty; and they are still far from adequate now, particularly with regard to references. I welcome constructive engagement with them, but I may not be able to contribute much over the next couple of weeks -- it depends on my activities outside WP, which are a bit unpredictable. Good luck! BrainyBabe (talk) 22:14, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I forgot to say, I don't know how to arrange it, but it would be great if a search for "club" would go straight to the dab page, not to this one. People might be thinking of golf clubs (the implements) or juggling clubs or any of many other meanings. BrainyBabe (talk) 22:20, 10 December 2007 (UTC)