Talk:Clara Schumann

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this page doesn't objectively address the talent of Clara or why she quit composing (ie internalized and cultural oppression). I made these changes and they dissappeared shortly after.

can this be marked as a stub?

Contents 1 References 2 Name/Title 3 POV bit 4 Robert's(?) Piano Concerto in A 5 Fair use rationale for Image:100-DEM-OBV-154x74.jpg

[edit] References

What's up the random sources? It'd be nice to know what part of the article they pertain to. Ijustam 06:14, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Name/Title

I wonder how people would feel if the entire page is moved to the title Clara Wieck Schumann instead of just Clara Schumann? While I acknowledge that much of her career revolved around performance of her husband's work, as the article mentions, Clara [Wieck, not yet] Schumann was a brilliant concert pianist from age thirteen, six years before her marriage to Robert.

Melizabethfleming 19:33, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] POV bit

Could anyone try to make the following excerpt a bit more NPOV?

Despite gaining greater recognition, her music is often described as "intimate" or "personal." Such descriptions are common for the work of female artists who are stereotyped as creating personal, introspective art; whereas men's art is considered universal and introspective. This is seen clearly when Chopin's work is described as "intensely emotional" instead of "intimate" or "personal." As is also common of female artists, she is often referred to by her first name and probably her last name, while her husband is by default Schumann. -Missmarple 19:39, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Robert's(?) Piano Concerto in A

I'm listening to this again for the first time in some years. I have never been able to get my mind around the idea that this is Schumann. It doesn't sound like his other piano music to me or much like the symphonies. It's not like it's an early work or something. The much more sophisticated Kreisleriana (1836) and Fantasy (1838) preceded it. My Groves says it was written in 1841 and 1845, premiered in 1846 by Clara. Could it be that it is actually written by Clara and passed of as Robert's so it would be heard? Robert and Clara were married in 1841.

--Dave Yost 19:31, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

The Piano Concerto in A minor, op. 54 is most definitely Schumann's work, ROBERT that is. I have no idea why you would think this work was "ghost written" by Clara. It certainly sounds like Schumann to me! In any case, it would have made more sense for the reverse to be true. In the late 1830's and early 1840's it was Clara's name NOT Robert's that was famous as a musician. At this time, Robert was better known as a music critic for his journal, Neue Zeitschrift für Musik.

This concerto gave Schumann considerable trouble and it went through a few changes before he finally came to settle on the form we know it today. It initially was written as a Phantasie for piano and orchestra in one movement. I believe there are still sketches of this work in Robert's hand extant as well as numerous references to his work-in-progress in his correspondence. I hope this info puts your doubts to rest.

- El Chileno Chido 04:40, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

In any case, we would need an external source if we wanted to say anything about this. We couldn't do any original research and come up with a different composer from the one that appears in every reference book. JackofOz 03:27, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

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