Talk:Ciudad Juárez

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[edit] Notes

In old documents (from the 1600s and 1700s) the most common name for the area where Ciudad Juarez now stands was "el paso del rio grande del norte," which can be translated as "the ford in the big river in the north."

A couple of notes here: 1) the Spanish word "paso" is usually translated "pass" when it refers to a crossing over mountain peaks, and as "ford" when it refers to a river crossing. 2) The Rio Grande/Rio Bravo is the largest river north of central Mexico, and El Paso/Juarez is the most convenient ford across the river on the route to the pueblos of New Mexico.

So, I think the best translation for "El Paso del Norte" is not "the northern pass" but "the ford in the northern river."

Since I'm not from Juarez/El Paso (I am a part-time historian of Mexico, and know the Juarez area mainly from reading lots of documents), I thought I'd just put the idea here and let others take it up if they agree.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Potosino (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Maps

The maplinks are completely useless. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dehagido (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Places to visit

The "Pueblito Mexicano" mall has been closed. Remove it from the list.

You should add a new place called 'Parque Central', or Central Park. It is located 10 miles to the south of the border (right through the Tecnologico Avenue), and it contains a lake, a mini-zoo, place where to the take the family on a weekend, basketball and voleyball courts, and a nice playground for kids.

Somebody from Juarez.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 189.171.234.186 (talk • contribs) .

I took care of it. Thanks for taking a moment to mention this. Somnabot 05:49, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Largest Border metro area

THE offical population of juarez is 4 million, you jerk, you make wikipedia un credable , by makeing up crap, i saw a show on AandE and they said 4 million,

I believe Detroit-Windsor Canada-US is around 6 million, more than double, needs correcting. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.248.135.49 (talk • contribs) .

[citation needed] Somnabot 05:37, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
EXACTLY!!! I was going to say SAN DIEGO/TIJUANA, but i didn't know DETROIT and WINDSOR had more~!!! SUPER NEEDS CORRECTING~!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.232.72.2 (talk • contribs) .209.206.165.16
The problem with the Tijuana/San Diego metro area is that San Diego "lies just north of the Mexican border" Sort of like how Las Cruces, New Mexico "lies just north of the Mexican border." I believe the root of the problem stems from incorrect wording. What I believe the author meant to say was "The two cities form a Metroplex metropolitan area of over 2,700,000 making it the largest international border community in which the first and third worlds meet in such a close proximity." I have changed the wording for the time being in hopes that this will solve the problem. Somnabot 20:53, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

San Diego/Tijuana is still bigger, a lot bigger, so I guess all they have left is they are closer together? this weak and I think it should cut. I think I will try and someone will restore it—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.206.165.16 (talk • contribs) .

Thank you for completely overlooking the value of this discussion. If you took the time to read through this discussion page, you would have realized that a sort of concencus has been reached. The City of Juarez, because of it's socio-economic position and proximity to El Paso, Texas is being studied all over the world in geography cources, economics courses, etc. High school sophmores in france learn it. The germans and Japanese study it just after preliminary school. I can provide you with proof. Why don't you go find some proof that cooberates with your opinion. Furthermore, yes, you did try, and yes, I "restore". Somnabot 16:00, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] First to third world

I think the term "third world" needs to be revised when mentioning Mexico or Ciudad Juarez. It is part of an outdated term refering for underdevelopment countries. Many countries are reaching new levels of development and quality of life, and this may apply for Ciudad Juarez and Mexico —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 189.171.170.17 (talk) 04:51, 18 December 2006 (UTC).

As per the Third World article: "The term Third World is also disliked as it may imply the false notion that those countries are not a part of the global economic system. Some in academia see it as being out of date, colonialist, othering and inaccurate; its use has continued, however. [1] In general, Third World countries are not as industrialized or technologically advanced as OECD countries, and therefore in academia, the current term in use is "developing nation"... Countries that have more advanced economies than developing nations but have not yet attained the level of those in the First World are grouped under the term Newly Industrialized Countries or NICs. Current examples includes China, India, Mexico or South Africa to name a few." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Somnabot (talk • contribs) 05:44, 18 December 2006 (UTC).
The reason why it's outdated is because it was a cold war term reffering to countries that were not closely integrated into either the US and Western Europe or the USSR economy (i.e. not US, Canada, Western Europe or Soviet bloc countries ). Thats what I thought anyway. Brentt 05:51, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please Sign your Comments

Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Somnabot 05:37, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Indeed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kain06 (talk • contribs)

[edit] Killings

How come there's nothing in here about the killings? Not even a link to an article on the killings? I think thats quite an ommission is it not?Brentt 05:54, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

See the final paragraph of the history section. damndirtyape 19:01, 24 April, 2007
i just removed the following comment- "
Juárez women continue to suffer daily under the violent yoke of several nebulous narco-satanic cults and organ-theft consortia.[2]"
i read the cited source, which states that cults and organ theft are among "a variety of theories," not fact, and at that, the link does not state the source of those theories. IMO that does not qualify as fact. Zmbe (talk) 02:19, 28 March 2008 (UTC)