Talk:Circle MRT Line

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"Cross-platform transfer"? How is this possible with an orbital line, which by definition is perpendicular to radial lines? I have removed this bit. Jpatokal 16:14, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Underground?

This article states that the Circle Line is fully underground, but, some of the interchanges it has with other lines are above ground. How is the Circle Line fully underground then?

Hmm? The track, its trains and its platforms are fully underground, so I think it's fair to say that the line is fully underground. Jpatokal 12:44, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Everything is fully underground just to confirm. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 13:01, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Simple. Escalaters lead passengers from the above-ground platform straight down into the underground platform without having to pass through fair gates as is the practice in all existing interchange stations. I suppose this creates a rather unusual category of train stations...above cum below ground!--Huaiwei 14:01, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Such above-cum-underground stations are new in Singapore but not new elsewhere. Tokyo has plenty of such stations. Just take the sprawling JR Ueno station complex as an example. If I remember correctly, the shinkansen platform is located on basement 5 while the other commuter lines are located on the 2nd or 3rd floor. Unkx80 06:51, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. Now I understand.
Actually, above-cum-underground stations are also not new in Singapore. The Sengkang MRT Station and the Punggol MRT Station are such examples because the MRT sections are underground while the LRT components are above ground. (202.65.241.249 09:28, 28 July 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Problems

User:Ragnaroknike keeps on insisting that Marina Line is not Circle Line and has made a mess of the article. I hope to get a concensus here with discussions and suggestions here. Thanks. --Terence Ong 06:04, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stage 6

Is there any actual evidence for a complete-the-circle "Stage 6" being planned? (As in, something after/beyond the DTE.) Jpatokal 02:07, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Here is a evidence of the Stage 6 of the Circle Line. Just click this link and here is your answer: link title.There is also another evidence of the Stage 6. While I was watching News5 Tonight (a Singapore news), the news mentioned something about Stage 6 of the Circle Line but I did not hear the plane of Stage 6 carefully. Aranho 19:55, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Huh? The map you link to is a fantasy map, not an official LTA release. And again, "Stage 6" is often used to mean the DTE, but the article talks about a Stage 6 beyond the DTE that would actually complete the circle. Jpatokal 20:32, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
The logical thing would be for the stations between HabourFront and Dhoby Ghaut to switch from North East Line to Circle Line. That would complete the circle and the North East Line would then run from Dhoby Ghaut to Punggol. However, the concession to operate the North East Line may be a problem. Mcarling (talk) 05:40, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
For now, this is not possible, as the NEL uses overhead power lines, whereas the CCL uses third rail. Also, NEL has 6 cars coupled together, but CCL only has 3 cars. For such a change, there would have to be infrastructure changes to the rails and stations and signal systems. With the announcements of extension from promenade to bayfront and subsequently marina bay, it is more likely for extension to be built from marina bay to harbourfront. However whether this is the future plan remains to be seen. - oahiyeel talk 06:14, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Adding a third rail and updating the signaling would cost perhaps 1% or less what it would cost to complete the circle along an all new route. Has there been an official announcement of a Circle Line extension from Promenade to Marina Bay? I cannot find one. It seems like an Internet urban legend. I would be grateful for a link to an official announcement. If the Circle Line will go to Marina Bay, what will become of the section from Promenade to Dhoby Ghaut? Will it become part of the Downtown Line or one of the other planned lines or will the Circle Line have a branch? A "Circle Line" that is not a closed circle is bad enough, but a branch is not compatible with the name. Mcarling (talk) 09:10, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Status

It appears that no part of the CCL will open on 2008. This information appears to be quietly slipped into some of the governmental websites. c.f. http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/proj_rail_ccl.htm and http://www.mot.gov.sg/motivate_issue_sept2006.pdf. Am I right? unkx80 12:39, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, this is largely due to the collapse of the construction site at Nicoll Highway station in 2004. Sandstorm6299 19:56, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Map

There is an official map showing the Circle Line here: http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/system_map.gif Mcarling (talk) 14:03, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, and your point being? Btw, the updated map is shown here: http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/mrt_map_big.gif - oahiyeel talk 14:12, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
The point is that this page has a note at the top from the Maps Task Force that the article needs a map. Thanks for linking to a newer one. Perhaps someone here knows how to add it to the article. Mcarling (talk) 21:38, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Oh, I see. But the main page now has the MRT system map, with the Circle line highlighted in orange. Does that qualify? I'm trying to create a route diagram as per North South/ East West Lines, but is a little busy lately.. Will put it up when it's done :) - oahiyeel talk 03:19, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
I won't claim to know all the Maps Task Force rules, but in my opinion the map to which you linked would make an excellent addition to the Circle Line article. If the same map is available without Stage 1 of the Downtown Line, that would be even better (for the Circle Line article). Mcarling (talk) 23:58, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure if that map I linked can be uploaded, due to copyright issues. We probably have to re-create one from scratch. - oahiyeel talk 02:44, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
It might be easier to get permission from LTA to use the map than to create one from scratch. Although someone here seems to enjoy making these schematic MRT maps. Is that you? Mcarling (talk) 04:38, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
LTA grants permission to use its maps, but only if you pay S$10 and sign an agreement with a raft of conditions totally incompatible with open licensing. So, no, we can't use them on Wikipedia. Jpatokal (talk) 07:34, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Nope, i wasn't the one who made the maps. It's User:Advanced. I could try though. :) - oahiyeel talk 10:42, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Ideally, a map for the Circle Line article would look very similar to the one you linked to, except without Stage 1 of the Downtown Line. The legend could be in a different corner to make it obvious it's not a copy of an LTA map. It would be great if someone could make such a map and we could get rid of the note from the Maps Task Force at the top of the article. Mcarling (talk) 01:34, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Marina Bay Extension?

Is there any evidence that a Marina Bay Extension is planned? The link cited in the article http://www.lta.gov.sg/tender_info/notice/tenders_notice_nov07_901qp.htm does not even hint at a Marina Bay Extension. I can't find anything official to support it. It seems to be an urban legend. Mcarling (talk) 04:29, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

It is confirmed. You may see https://app-pac.mica.gov.sg/data/vddp/embargo/6260896.htm , point 22. Also in the link above it is stated "...Construction and Completion of Circle Line (CCL) Marina Bay Station..." As for the bayfront station, it has been announced. I can't find the actual announcement, but u may see this map by the LTA: http://www.lta.gov.sg/images/DTL_27Apr07.pdf :) - oahiyeel talk 04:54, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! Mcarling (talk) 09:13, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
The obvious place to locate a station between Marina Bay and HarbourFront (closing the circle) would be the site of the existing Tanjong Pagar KTM station. Perhaps construction of an MRT station can be used to force Malaysia to comply with their agreement to close the KTM station. Mcarling (talk) 09:18, 13 May 2008 (UTC)