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Contents 1 Note: 2 References and other concerns 3 Another angle of the picture 4 Furthermore 5 Touch-ups 6 Can someone cite any sources to demontrate the Goguryeo worship Chi You? 7 Fair use rationale for Image:Reddevil.gif

[edit] Note:

I think that the Chi Woo myth doesn't belong here. It is about Chi You, a Chinese and Miao deity not about a Korean mythical emperor. It should be moved to Korean Mythology , since this is like focusing on Ammon in the Zeus article! In other words, the article has become Out Of Topic. As a Chinese, I feel quite offended about the nationalism (or even jingoism?) in Japanese (Empress Jingo) and Korean mythology (think of the vast Korean empire of the mythical ages). Well, Chi You's tomb is in Shandong? This reminds me of Korean ultra-nationalists who claim that this region was actually Korean... Hmm... Is this a racist myth,, claiming that Chinese are inferior (and not equal) to Koreans?!? I am afraid that this is the case.

wow, many errors to point out for you. o.d.s.t. : feet first into hell (talk) 07:28, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] References and other concerns

Aside from the absolute lack of references in this article, does anyone else think that the inclusion of a korean soccer team support group and comics is straying a bit much from the mythology article?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.4.205.21 (talk) 09:41, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Another angle of the picture

From the folklores that my father and uncles and grandpas have told to me, they mentioned that koreans and miao/hmong among other ethnic groups were from the same *tribe* ruled by chi you in ancient times. also told to me was that japanese origin were from the same group of tribes under chi you's ruling/guidance before war broke out between chi you and huang di. they told me of the many tribes that chi you brought together, and the groupings that they made to distinguish the different clans. i believe 7 groups were eventually established. if considering this, it could very well have been the same one (chi you) mentioned in the korean mythology. i, being half hmong/half bouyei, pronouce the name chi you as txiv yawg, which sounds pretty much like chi you, meaning grandpa. since as long as i can remember, my father has told me that our clan group was that of the 5th group. being that asia has one of the oldest record history, many things were for sure lost/distorted because they were initally passed down orally, from father to son, and so on. separation for 1000s of years would yeild difference in folklore but from researching about korean mythology, the korean version of chi you does resemble that of the one that was told to me. i wouldn't just throw out the notion that the korean version is out of whack because of its almost overwhelming similarity to my own.

Just because some legend is nationalistic, racist, or otherwise offensive, doesn't mean it's not a factual legend. There is plenty of scope in this article for both perspectives — but not for POV accusations. -- Perey 23:51, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Chi Woo and Chi You are referred to using the same characters and have their sources from the same texts. They ought to be in the same article.--thevizier 12:35, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Furthermore

And, when you are speaking of high-antiquity, it would be rather meaningless to refer to the tribes under Huang Di and Chi You as Chinese, Hmong, Korean etc... Perhaps they were culturally and genetically the ancestors of the current people, but given population movement, culture exchange, intermarriage, even that isn't a clear and fast way to determine things. That the Koreans trace their ancestory to the Dong Yi people in Shandong, I think, does not mean China nowadays is any less of what it is. The Dong Yi tribes, merely being the ancestors to later proto-Korean peoples (and proto-Chinese) does not mean they were either Chinese or Korean, as both those terms are grossly anachronistic in reference to something around 3000-1000 BCE. --thevizier 12:40, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Touch-ups

Koreans did worshipped Chi You as a war deity, but I see the things about Baedal and Hwangoong as a different mythology. I divided the article into sections and clarified the statements for the NPOV. --Puzzlet Chung 15:31, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Ah, thank you for clarifying the whole thing (I am the original author of this article; I apologize for overreacting and being so whiny). I think that factual accuracy and NEUTRALITY are assured now, and no one should be offended now. It`s a shame that mythology has often been politically abused (I`ve to admit that I stepped into this peculiar trap). Oh, and sorry for my horrible English.

17:31, 2 Jul 2005, "Li Siwen"

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I'd like to point out one thing. The fact that Koreans traditionally worshipped Chi You is rather irrelevant to the present ultra-nationalistic popularity of "Chi Woo." After all, Koreans also worshipped(?) Guan Yu (Korean: 관우). In Seoul, there is a temple for Guan Yu, called Dongmyo (동묘). (There's also a subway station of the same name.) Nobody with half a sense claims that Guan Yu was Korean based on that. It's just like that Europeans' worship of Jesus doesn't make them Jewish.

I for one am disgusted at this endless parade of ignorance by some Koreans. (I know Puzzlet Chung is not one of them... I'm just disgusted at those whose parade of ignorance is so widespread that they deserve an entry on their own in Wikipedia.) Yongjik 09:50, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Can someone cite any sources to demontrate the Goguryeo worship Chi You?

I doubt the authencity.--Ksyrie 00:24, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

It is possible, but, no one is sure. Jtm71 03:39, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 11:19, 21 January 2008 (UTC)