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This burger is a bit square. :-) Evercat 01:57, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The entry for Hamburger claims that the first cheeseburger was made in Pasadena, California. So what's the real scoop? Bunthorne 06:33, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

The Cheeseburger image, though nice, is most likely under copyright of Wendy's International, Inc. The square patty was a clean give-away. It can be found on their website at:

http://www.wendys.com/food/Product.jsp?family=1&product=6

Roy Blunt's unfair use of the image does not indicate public domain.

I found a cheeseburger image from the McDonald's page, it's in commons. Thanks --Jaranda ^{wat's sup} 22:07, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

The wrapper is from McDonalds, you can see the logo.
What happened to the ingredients for a cheeseburger? What?

Contents 1 Need reference for where the cheeseburger originated 2 The Jucy Lucy 3 Reversion of link 4 "Worlds Biggest Cheeseburger" 5 Links 6 Merge with hamburger? 7 Stop Remaking The Page! 8 Pasadena category 9 Comparison with Hamburger 10 Excessive contorl of article 11 Everyday uses of Cheeseburgers

[edit] Need reference for where the cheeseburger originated

The statement "The first cheeseburger was cooked sometime between 1924 and 1926 by a young chef named Lionel Sternberger" doesn't appear to have any references for it. However, I can find references that show that the cheeseburger was invented in Louisville, Kentucky at Kaelin's restaurant in 1934. But I'm willing to give the current claim the benefit of the doubt. Let's see some good references. — Stevie is the man! ^{Talk | Work} 22:35, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

The links on there have articles about Lionel, so i am removing the tag. -- Awiseman 16:05, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

A cultural essay is not sufficient evidence, really. But in any case, the odd thing about this article is that it snubs the other two possibilities for where the cheeseburger was "invented". Certainly, the Ballast and Kaelin claims deserve at least to be described as part of the history of the cheeseburger. — Stevie is the man! ^{Talk | Work} 02:46, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

This is all nonsense. Does anyone really believe that no one ever thought of combining cheese and meat before 1924? The American debut of the hamburger predates the 1897 Chicago World's Fair, and there are references to it coming from Europe earlier.

[edit] The Jucy Lucy

Just did a quick google check, and there appears to be quite a bit of information that confirms that the entry is accurate. Will remove the citation mark. Thanks for pointing that out.

Certainly, the standard for references in the Wikipedia is now higher, so please add your voluminous reference finds to the article. Suggesting that others do a Google check is no longer considered substantive evidence. — Stevie is the man! ^{Talk | Work} 02:49, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Here's a few: http://www.doodledee.com/jucylucy/ http://www.citypages.com/bestof2002/foodstuff/bestof1681.asp http://citypages.com/databank/19/923/article5760.asp Rsm99833 03:33, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reversion of link

I reverted the last added link to an obviously commercial site that adds little or no information to extend the subject of the article according to Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_not_a_web_directory. Thanks. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 22:03, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Worlds Biggest Cheeseburger"

Could somebody please explain the usefulness of having this link on this page added by an anon with no comment? What possible information beyond trivia does it provide? How does it extend encyclopedic knowledge of the subject at hand? I'll refrain from removing for a little while to see if anyone can explain this. Thanks. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 00:33, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Links

While I'm all for links that enhance an article, the two currently on line are in violation of Wiki terms and protocols, and should be removed. I am, though, for substituting others that are allowed. Rsm99833 16:13, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

What is the specific violation? Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 16:36, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Here's a link to the guideline [[1]], and a link to what should be avoided [[2]]. Rsm99833 17:16, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

What is the specific violation? I think the second link is all right by the guidelines, and the first one is iffy. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 17:27, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

The first link, aside from being a vanity link entered in by Cheeseburgerbrown to his personal web site, is a blog link to an article containing original research. The second link is also to a personal web site, that also loops back to the cheeseburgerbrown site. If the June 23, 1999 article from The San Gabriel Valley Tribune is online, that would be acceptable. Rsm99833 17:40, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Sometimes, we need to balance the weight of the subject and common sense with guidelines. The second article outlines the history of the cheeseburger. If another, better sourced, similar article can be found, fine, but until then, I think the second link should stay. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 18:09, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

That's reasonable enough. nuke the vanity link, and keep the secondary, until a substitute or better article can be found.Rsm99833 18:25, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Done. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 18:40, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Cheeseburger Brown says: For the record, I didn't add the link -- I updated it when I saw that the link *someone else had added* was being directed to an old URI. My intention was to keep your article up-to-date, but you seem to have interpreted that as self-promotion or something. The link you killed is a frequency cited carefully researched article which first appeared on Kuro5hin. It was a relevant link to include here, and a good resource that pointed to cheeseburger information all over the Web. In other words, it belonged here. I've read the guideline, and whoever included my article in the first place seems to have been doing a good Wikipedia job. Sorry I tried to contribute to the project by correcting an outdated hyperlink. (I'm also sorry I couldn't figure out how to properly contribute to this discussion. Please excuse this edit.) -Your friend, Cheeseburger Brown

Consider looking at the links that were posted again. It appears from some of your external link contributions that you may need to brush up a bit. Rsm99833 01:06, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

What are we talking about now, specifically? There's only two links in the article, the reference, which should be all right, and the link we agreed to keep for now. What else is there? Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 06:20, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, nevermind. You were responding to Cheeseburger Brown, but it appeared, format-wise, that you were replying to me. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 06:22, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, your loss Wikipedia. I guess being anal is more important than being right. Love, CheeseburgerBrown.

you're more than welcome to incorperate and cross-reference the your work into this article.Rsm99833 15:55, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Read WP:NPA. Further, if being right means Wikipedia becomes a web directory for any possible related link, then I'm wrong and proud of it. Thank you. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 15:57, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge with hamburger?

The cheeseburger has its own illustrious history. I don't want its story drowned out in the hamburger article. Therefore, no to merger. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 04:52, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Second this. No reason to merge. Rsm99833 04:54, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Third this.--Bedford 05:08, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stop Remaking The Page!

I merged it with hamburger for a reason! It's a derivative of a hamburger!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.126.115.190 (talk • contribs)

OK, let's get rid of all "derivative" articles in Wikipedia. Please. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 20:13, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

It was decided on not to merge. If you disagree, discuss it here, don't just do it. Rsm99833 21:16, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pasadena category

I removed the Category:Pasadena, California category from this article because the Cheeseburger article is not relevant to Pasadena, California. Articles need to be relevant to the category for the category to be included in the article, not vice versa. I've removed it again. Please discuss why you think the cheeseburger article is relevant to Pasadena, the subject of the category, not why Pasadena is relevant to cheeseburgers which is irrelevant per Wikipedia:Categories. Particularly:

Categories are mainly used to browse through similar articles

It is purely coincidental that the cheeseburger may have been "invented" in Pasadena. Mike Dillon 01:34, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

It was invented in Pasadena. Since the Pasadena category system doesn't have any subcategory that's more exact for this article, it should stay in the Pasadena category until that time. Signed, the non-owner, but thoughtful contributor to this article. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 16:57, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Then why is it in the Denver and Louisville categories too?

Also, I don't think you address the issue of the cheeseburger's relevance to Pasadena. Why would someone browsing articles about Pasadena want to look at the cheeseburger article? Mike Dillon 17:28, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Because it was invented there. What else do you need? Am I missing something? Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 17:33, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Still seems marginal to me when looking at the other members of the category, but I'll leave it there. Mike Dillon 17:39, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I do somewhat understand your position, but I think the underlying issue here is that subcategories for Pasadena haven't been developed as of yet. Once they are, this article's placement can be downshifted. And that would be fine with me. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 17:43, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

And to answer the first question, the cheeseburger is also part of Denver's and Louisville's culture and history. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 17:36, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comparison with Hamburger

The comparison of the nutrition of a hamburger with a cheeseburger is not possible unless the same ingredients are being compared with only the difference of the cheese. Using MacDonalds products for the comparison makes the comparison valid. If someone would prefer to use data from another company where the two products use identical ingredients, that is fine, but the MacDonald's data is readily available. --Zeamays (talk) 01:45, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Not valid at all. The article is about cheeseburgers in general, not a specific fast-food cheeseburger. A nutritional comparison is unnecessary anyway, as all cheeses aren't created equal, and therefore the comparison doesn't inform about cheeseburgers in general. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 06:44, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Excessive contorl of article

Certain people seem to be keeping this article in a way that suits their opinions, but not allowing others to make edits. Wikipedia exists to allow different worthy contributions and this approach is clearly frustrating this purpose. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dfutter (talk • contribs) 11:11, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Everyday uses of Cheeseburgers

The cheeseburger is the main dietary staple of a rare type of gorilla known as trentus mcjunkinus. Some 400 cheeseburgers a day can be ingested by the "lilderek", as it is also called. Scientists have discovered that the lilderek is closely related to the sasquatch, and its call can be heard throughout the woods, a resounding "Dirka! Dirka! Cheeseburger!". Be aware, the lilderek can be vicious, especially if you take away its mcdonalds cheeseburgers. The best course of action upon encountering an angry lilderek is to back away slowly, chanting "Gusfraba, gusfraba!". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.143.187.44 (talk) 23:05, 1 June 2008 (UTC)