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That lot should cover his career quite nicely. Thought I might be able to find his father's deed poll, but I can't. David Underdown (talk) 10:45, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
"Harington, Charles Harington, (1940), Tim Harington Looks Back, J Murray" is not a very good source as it is long out of print and unavailable online. Can anyone come up with a better source? Otherwise there are a few bits of this which will need to be trimmed. --John (talk) 14:41, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
- It is available online, previously via the Wikisource link, and I've now added a direct link - though the page numbering isn't very clear in this particular online version - the reference to Irish descent is on the first page of actual text, I think it was the 00009.html file that had it in. In any case a published work is a reliable source whether it's in or out of print, and regardless of any online version being available. David Underdown (talk) 14:51, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
- (edit conflict)Indeed. There is no clause which states that verifiability is contingent on a source being available online (disregarding that this particular book is out of print, it remains obtainable in various libraries). Regardless, Tim Harington Looks Back is available for download in various formats here and I can assure you that this article does accurately represent used references. SoLando (Talk) 15:20, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
- Frankly, the fact that it isn't available online usually means it is more reliable. We should judge the merits of the source on its content and its status amongst peers. This is a perfectly adequate source for this article. Woody (talk) 15:32, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for your comments. I am now looking at this and I see "My name was originally Poe, a family well known in Ireland in past years." Is this the reference on which some wish to retain the category? I don't see it as meeting the criterion "In accordance with Wikipedia:Categories, the applicability of the category should be based on a consensus that the connection to Ireland is important enough to include in the article text before this category can properly be considered." What do others think? --John (talk) 15:46, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
- For a British army officer of this period, it's fairly important. This is my own feeling, but I don't think his brother officers would have bestowed the nickname Tim on him, due to the similarity of surname with Timothy Charles Harrington, if they hadn't been aware of Harington's own Irish heritage. David Underdown (talk) 15:59, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
- Current guidelines (emphasis on) do permit categorisation by ethnicity so long as it is verifiable; there does not appear to have been an appreciable move to establish a more substantive set of criterion. John, I'm not personally satisfied with your reasoning as there should really be a more substantive rationale for removal than a passage on a category page as I'm not aware of any compelling, community-wide consensus that has yet to be been reached on the applicability of this form of categorisation. This particular instance is sourced and could not be described as contentious, disputable, or controversial.
- In addition, his Irish heritage appears to have been important to him; he married the daughter of another Irish officer, O'Donnel Grattan at Limerick Cathedral, and evidently self-identified as Irish (in relating to his superior General Henry Wilson on p88: I am afraid that Ireland, our unhappy country, ruined his last months as C.I.G.S. and on p9:...that Tim Harrington, another Irish blackguard, had got two years' imprisonment! .. and on p18, in relation to a sports match while stationed in Ireland: ...it was my ambition to play for Ireland and I played in all the trial matches, but only succeeded in being a twelfth man, as in the last trial at Dublin, they moved me from inside-right to outside-right...) SoLando (Talk) 17:26, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
