Talk:Characters of Carnivàle

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[edit] Why this article exists

With the current attempts to rewrite Wikipedia:Notability (fiction), I feel that I need to explain the existence of this page (just in case; if not, this rationale doesn't do any harm).

  • The info of this article started out as a subsection of the Carnivàle (before I set foot on the article). When I expanded that article and it got too long (55kB) ([1]), I moved most in-universe/plot info to Fictional universe of Carnivàle, which was also expanded [2] until I transformed the character table into a much nicer looking list and moved the info to this page here([3]). When Fictional universe of Carnivàle was AfD-ed, I was bold and merged the sections #Genealogy and #Open questions here.
  • In the past few weeks, I have focused on making Carnivàle a Featured article. I then spend effort on establishing the notability of the Mythology of Carnivàle article to avoid another AfD. (That article still isn't finished though, but it's getting there.) What I want to say is that I cannot expand this article here and other articles at the same time.
  • I think the layout of the Characters article is pretty good now, although it still lacks the important character information from the plot. What I'm envisioning is a short paragraph for each season for each character, like I have already done for Tommy Dolan and Jonesy. (Since I won't start a page for each character or separate episodes, I don't see why the plot cannot be retold in the Character article.) I have also added Production notes sections for most characters. These sections are all not finished - more material exists, I just haven't added it.
  • If you want to expand this article yourself (or if you just doubt that more material exists for an article expansion), see a list of usable links and pre-compiled info at User talk:Sgeureka/Carnivàle. There is also a list of reviews for the show at User:Sgeureka/Carnivàle/Review and the related talk page. More info is present in the DVD audio commentaries and DVD featurettes.

– sgeureka t•c 19:05, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and if you think that Ben Hawkins and Brother Justin Crowe aren't notable enough to have their own article, be bold and merge them here. I just haven't got around to do that. Neither have I thought about how such a merge should look like since those articles have a different article layout/structure than this article here. – sgeureka t•c 19:11, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Most of the above issues have been fixed now. I have not really added information from the audio commentaries though. There may be also a lot more info about the casting process in the DVD Extra "The Museum of Television & Radio's William S. Paley Television Festival". Because I based my sourcing mostly on the internet where I found no interview with Nick Stahl about Carnivàle, his section is a little shortish. But most of the important info is there. – sgeureka t•c 01:28, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Hank" or "Hack" Scudder?

I thought that Sudder's nickname was "Hack". Could be wrong, though. Mdiamante 00:28, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

It's "Hack". I already changed it. – sgeureka t•c 13:40, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Peer review

I wish to make the Carnivàle articles a Featured Topic. You may leave comments for possible improvement of these articles as a group at Wikipedia:Peer review/Carnivàle/archive1. Thank you. – sgeureka t•c 17:57, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Justin picture

That pic doesn't really give one a good impression of CB's face, IMO... I don't have any dvds, and a quick Google search doesn't turn up any better ones (this [4] was the best I could find), so I hereby suggest a new pic. Thank you. Mdiamante 23:27, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I kind of like the one there is at the moment. Do you object to BJ's impression (e.g. "too stern"), his look (e.g. "that's not what he usually looks like"), or the quality of the lighting (e.g. "it's too bright and I you can't make out any detail")? The quality of my DVD caps is usually not that good, so I prefer those from from promo kits. My googling brought these images, but I don't like them for different reasons: two images, both too small, stupid background, 5th image, stupid smoke, too small. – sgeureka t•c 01:51, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Mdiamante, I overwrote your file with a new screenshot of BJ from the same episode. Your version had a nice background with BJ doing his preacher job, but I thought his face looked very funny on the image. I tried to take a screenshot from the same scene, but because BJ talks during the whole scene (or looks down so that his face is all shady), I couldn't take a better one and tried with another scene. BTW, I think it is kind of good that his grin in the new image somehow misleads about what he actually about to become. Isn't that the way it should be? :-) – sgeureka t•c 17:29, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I like it, especially because its composition is similar to that of the Ben picture. They look like a pair. ;) Mdiamante (talk) 01:48, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] failed GA

  • I really hate to do this to you. The article shows extensive amounts of hard work; I've seen articles promoted to GA that obviously required far less effort to write. I really want to offer you my congrats and my thanks for the hard work you've put into making this info available to Wikipedia.
  • The fatal flaw here is the extensive problems with WP:INUNIVERSE. Each bio section reads like a bio of a real person, at least for long stretches of text at a time. There is so very much of it that i didn't feel placing the article on Hold for a week would offer sufficient time to rework the text.
  • The references... you certainly have no fear of not having enough of them ;-) ... I saw at least one blog; I dunno how your refs would fare if compared one by one to WP:RS.
  • if you feel this review is inaccurate, please feel free to list the article at WP:GAR.
  • Ling.Nut 16:17, 4 December 2007 (UTC)