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[edit] Hi

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[edit] Closers article

I disagree with your removal of the useful information with each closer, but it doesn't really bother me. That makes the list more boring, but that's okay.

But why leaves the notes about Lee Smith and Bobby Thigpen? I'd argue that MVP and Cy Young awards are just as noting the record of a historically uninteresting and unimportant closer like Bobby Thigpen.

According to your stated principles, I've made the list look as clean as possible. I'm happy to discuss this further if you disagree. We could put it on the talk page for the article if you think it's important. Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Woodshed (talk • contribs) 20:15, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Efren Ramirez

1. The statement that the marriage was annulled after 35 hours has no source provided (examples of sources could be interviews with either Ramirez or Limon, or Nevada court records). It must be removed unless a source is provided.

2. The claim that they were married needs to be sourced. The best source I have found is the quote from the Limon interview. Its better to directly quote her words than summarise them also.

If you know of any sources which include the 35 hour claim (the Limon interview does not include anything so specific), please reference/quote them. However, the only source we have as far as I am aware is the Limon interview, and it is always better to just quote the primary source directly than to try to paraphrase it. --SJK 05:57, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

dude, you can just give a link, you don't have to put what she said on the interview, that's offtopic, the article is EFRAN RAMIREZ not WHAT HIS EX SAID ON AN INTERVIEW get it>?? you can just give the link and that's it, and if you do not know who to do that then either ask someone to do it or find out how to do it. There's absolutely no reason to give have what his ex said in this article. no summaries either, just insert a link. --CesarCossio 08:39, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
oh, and why are you saying this to me?? all i did was removed what you added on the article, the part that said "and she said: blah blah blah". There's no point for that there. that's what sources are for, that's why you put them right next to whatever you are saying. if you said that they were married then go ahead and quote it as a link. if people wanna read about it they click on it and read it, if they do not care they do not read. i really don't care about him being married to her for two hours or 5 years, and worst, i don't even care about him, the only reason i have his article on my watchlist is because someone kept changing "salvadorian" to "salvadoran", i'm not a fan of his or anything like that BUT i do not see a reason to add his ex quote on this article the way you did it. if you just add the link then that's okay, but not what exactly was that she said 'cause like i said the article is about HIM, not what his ex said. --CesarCossio 08:47, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Its not an issue of what the article is about. The point is that it is always better to quote than to paraphrase, especially when the quote is relatively brief. You seem to have some aversion to the quote on the grounds that it is what his ex said, but its a source being quoted and I don't see how the fact that that source happens to be his ex is relevant. Obviously, what someone's ex- says about someone must be taken with a grain of salt; but, in this particular case, its obvious from the context that she is his ex- (and thus, readers will make the appropriate judgement about the reliability of her statements); furthermore, she does not say anything negative about him, and the main reason I'd say for taking what ex-es say with a grain of salt is that they may be overly negative due to the emotions involved, but the lack of negativity in her comments implies that that does not apply in this case.

And, I am addressing you, simply because I am responding to a reversion you made. --SJK 09:54, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

okay, i don't have any problems with quotes, you can give a link to the interview. I'm against the fact that the article is "Efran Ramirez" and it should be about him and not what his ex said. It's just like the "MLB All Century Team" article. the article is about who was in the team not who didn't make the team. If you wanna use that quote it should be in HER article, not HIS article because she is that one that said it not him. Even though she is talking about him it shouldn't be in there. Just leave the way it was. "He was married to blah blah blah (link)" People would read that he was married and if they wanna read where you got that information from then they can click on the link, there's no reason for that being in the article. --CesarCossio 19:44, 14 August 2006 (UTC)