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[edit] Daddy Kindsoul

Hey man, I notice you're having trouble with Daddy Kindsoul too. Let me guess, he continually reverts your edits to suit his own purposes? Believe me, he's been doing the same on an article I'm involved with. I just wish I knew what we could do to get him sorted out. He says he's doing it all for "the benefit of Wikipedia", but as we know he's blatently not, so what can we do? PeeJay 11:16, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pearl Jam vs. NME

Hey, I read in an article from 1992 that said the NME lambasted Pearl Jam and said they were "trying to steal money from young alternative kids' pockets". Can you find anything about it? I'm trying to expand upon early criticism of the band over in the Pearl Jam article. Thanks. WesleyDodds 11:08, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Smells Like Teen Spirit

Why did you revert this article (without explanation) to incorrect capitalisation and infobox formatting? --Mel Etitis (Talk) 22:55, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Triptych, May-June 1973

Updated DYK query On 10 May 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Triptych, May-June 1973, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--howcheng {chat} 18:51, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kurt Cobain

I would appreciate your opinions on this section. Quite ungodly, but CloudNine and I are going to try and it, uh, not crap. Any thoughts on how to keep this as NPOV as possible?

In other news: I'm taking a short break from editing The Cure but I'll get back to that within a week. The reason for my brief break is that I've run into some problems on the page where it seems someone possibly affliated with the band keeps trying to alter material about the exit of Perry Bamonte and Roger O'Donnell in a very POV manner. Reverting POV edits from several different IPs gets old pretty quickly. WesleyDodds 04:13, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Oddly enough, I got "Just Like Heaven" to GA status faster than the main Cure article. That's about all the information I could find on the song, so GA is as far as I can take it unless someone writes a thesis on the song. Take a look and let me know if I forgot anything (and please forgive any Americanisms that have slipped into an article of British prose). WesleyDodds 22:03, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
On a number of occasions I've been sitting here staring at the page trying to figure out how to do that. I basically get stuck asking myself, "What else do people need to know in a one-to-two paragraph synopsis of this song? Aside from it's fucking awesome?" WesleyDodds 22:17, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gorecki

Yeah, I can try to help out with the symphony a little bit. Gosh, Wiki's coverage of modern Polish concert music is really scant - that section in Music of Poland could use a serious overhaul, and some of those names really need articles (Roman Palester!) Two books worth looking into are Adrian Thomas's "Polish Music since Szymanowski" (Oxford, 2005) and Bernard Jakobson's "A Polish Renaissance" (1996). Chubbles 18:24, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Just curious, why are you doing the Gorecki work on your userspace rather than on the article itself? Chubbles 18:50, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
Have you checked his Grove entry? That should have decent biographical info, and will point you toward other sources. The two sources above should help with that, too. Chubbles 18:57, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
Awesome! Chubbles 20:31, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Triptych

Work "The triptych is a portrait of Dyer dying" into the first paragraph of the lead. Some items like East End and maybe even triptych should be Wikilinked. I have no problem with the "Background section"; since Dyer doesn't have his own article this seems the ideal place to go into detail about him. In the line "Although his arched back, thighs and legs are, according to the art critic Colm Tóibín 'lovingly painted', Dyer is clearly a broken man," the last part ("clearly") needs a cite or shoudl be rephrased. Are Yard and Russell critics too? And how do the black triptychs relate to the topic aside from similar subject? Mention the Sotheby's auction later in the article as well, in addition to the lead.

The main thing that seems to be missing is further critical reaction, particularly in the years since its initial debut. WesleyDodds 08:25, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Apart from one citation request which I added to the article, I have no problem with the article's level of citation. Should I have any suggestions for improvement I'll give you a bell; good luck in its FAC (that's definitely going to be successful). LuciferMorgan 18:12, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] re:Three Studies

Certainly, I have given it a quick spell check just now (see diff) but I have changed the spelling in a number of quotes. If they contained spelling errors in the actual quote please undo my change, use [sic] after something quoted with incorrect spelling to indicate to readers that you realise the spelling is incorrect but the quote would need to be changed otherwise; eg. "it was rianing[sic] cats and dogs". I'll give it another, more thorough look later today because I need to go now. This artice is really good. Should be ready for FAC soon. Good work, James086Talk | Email 00:02, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I put it through a spellchecker, so it's not quite right to say that I found them ;) I noticed that there is "centralised" in British spelling and "fiber board" which is American spelling; WP:ENGVAR says it should be consistent throughout. I'm not sure which units should be used in the final section for the dimensions of the painting so I added cm in brackets. Also I think it could use more internal links (Wikipedia:Build the web and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (links)). I'm rather pressed for time lately (I have exams coming up) so I can't really make long edits, but I can point things out. Sorry if I sound overly criticising, I don't mean to be, after all, it is a really good article. James086Talk | Email 14:37, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query On 16 May 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Roman Palester, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Carabinieri 21:55, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request

Would you take a look at "Eyes of the Insane" sometime for me please? I wish to nominate it for FAC soon, and would rather address any concerns you may have prior to my nomination instead of during it. Any help is welcomed, and thanks for your time :) LuciferMorgan 14:03, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the help, which is real appreciated. There were no typos, so no worries. As concerns your second point, I meant that Slayer were on tour and so others were contacted to produce the film - I'm not sure if you can reword this in any way. Thanks once again :) LuciferMorgan 21:06, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Three Studies

Right now I want to get breakfast; give me an hour or so and then I'll get to copyediting it. WesleyDodds 13:16, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

"The work summarizes themes explored in Bacon's previous paintings." WesleyDodds 16:48, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

By the way, can you verify something from the "Smells Like Teen Spirit" article? SandyGeorgia pointed out that the NME link used to reference the line "In 2002, NME awarded the song the number two spot on its list of '100 Greatest Singles of All Time'" is dead now, and she had some concerns about the date. Can you verify this item and replace the citation with one of the actual print issue? WesleyDodds 20:03, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Sandy found the link on a web archive [1]; she mainly was concerned about the date. I see what she means (there's two different dates listed on that page), but I think it's clear from the context of the article that the 2002 date is correct. WesleyDodds 20:46, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I figured it out. Turns out the 2006 date is the screenshot date. I went to the NME site right now and that spot that had the 2006 date is used to display whatever today's date is. WesleyDodds 20:57, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Honestly, I like to refrain from casting votes in FAC. I'm fine making comments and suggestions during the process, but I feel uncomfortable taking declarative positions because it is such a delicate and important process; a "support" or "object" is a rather definitive investment of faith that I like to make only if I am 100 percent certain of my position (I know that sounds a little silly). Nevertheless, I am leaning towards "Support" on this article and will vote accordingly once some prose issues in the "Background" section are cleared up. I'll list the parts I have questions about in the FAC within the day. WesleyDodds 21:53, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi Ceoil—I got a trip-kick out of copyediting the Triptych article. I am pleased with the result (and check out those high-res external links!). Your other articles seem to be on interesting subjects—a nice break from the usual geography/pop culture/contemporary bios/favorite schools etc.—so feel free to ask again. –Outriggr § 09:58, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Emsworth

I just posted this to Yomangani, and thought you might have some ideas as well. Cheers, Marskell 20:55, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

The **** or the real God**** ****ing ****? No doubt I was ****ing annoyed at the time, but I'm not sure what you're talking about now :). Probably for the best.
You know what's funny, Emsworth's articles and a lot of the apparently difficult FARs probably take four or five hours to cite—if you've got one of those cards that let's you into a good university library. I had one for four years, to one of the top three libraries in NA, and never really thought about it. Where I am now, it's literally impossible to cite an Emsworth article. Take nothing for granted!
If you do want to help with his bunch, I'd suggest quietly adopting for yourself and working it up to standard. I posted that long thread thinking just three or four people taking an extra half-hour of their Wiki time a day could save a few in short order. But I would say that, doing none of the work myself ;). Cheers, Marskell 21:19, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use

Hey Ceoil, I've just been reading (and enjoying) Three Studies for Figures at the Base of a Crucifixion and wondered if you had the right Fair Use description for the Potemkin screenshot? I would have thought it ought to say "Rationale of fair use in Three Studies for Figures at the Base of a Crucifixion". Just a thought, wouldn't want it to get in the way of the current WP:FAC! All the best, The Rambling Man 12:27, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Glad to be of assistance. Good luck with the FAC! The Rambling Man 21:33, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
I'll have another read and give my comments asap. I'm 100% not even an amateur in this field, but I guess the opinion of a naïve reader might be worth something! The Rambling Man 21:53, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Editorial assistance

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[edit] Three studies FAC

This may be a shade premature (seeing as the bot hasn't got round to editing the page yet) but judging by User:Raul654's recent edit, congrats on getting the article to featured status! The Rambling Man 17:40, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations! I'm looking forward to whatever the next FAC you write will be.. LuciferMorgan 19:35, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Oh, thank God, I thought I was going insane. That's the second FA candidate I've seen being listed as an Featured Article before the FAC was officially closed this week (the other being Kid A). Aside from my momentary bewilderment, I would like to extend my earnest congratulations. Let me know when the next article you're working on reaches Peer Review or just needs a look.
In other news, "Smells Like Teen Spirit" will be Today's Featured Article on May 31st. I didn't even add it to the nominees queue! WesleyDodds 07:43, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
May 31st? My mother's birthday, cool. LuciferMorgan 21:48, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
Lol maybe. I have to keep my head down a bit for awhile (got another block), and I'm awaiting further clarification on the Slayer FAC. Someone's voted oppose based on 1a so I wish to rectify their problems. All's well I suppose - so are you going for more Bacon related FAs? LuciferMorgan 21:53, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
It's true what I say at FAR, though diplomacy isn't one of my finer points. Good luck with those Bacon paintings. I intend to work on the lead of South of Heaven sometime and make it GA, definitely get "Eyes of the Insane" FA'd, and then hopefully I can FTC Christ Illusion. Shouldn't take much work really as most of it's done already. LuciferMorgan 22:13, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
Diplomacy does work indeed, but I got that bad a reputation these days they accuse me of being insincere (I can't win!). It'll definitely be great finishing off some more Slayer, though I'm doing it more so to finish a job I helped start. Once Slayer has gone as far as it can go I wish to work on some Iron Maiden articles. LuciferMorgan 22:25, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mogwai and the internets

I listened to the new Mogwai album last week. Even if it is a soundtrack to a documentary on Zidane the title's still hilarious. I think I have an article on them in one of my books if you do want to put it up for a COTW.

I never warmed up to file-sharing. Nevertheless, there's a way to hear music I like (at least, a very clearly-defined subsection of it) online, as well as a way to give me suggestions. I'll just leave at that (mainly because I don't like whoring myself). WesleyDodds 22:21, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Since it's on the table: while I like Blur, I wouldn't call myself a fan. The big problem for me is that it always seems like the band is playing dress-up; as a result, all their songs remind me of someone else even if they aren't blalantly pinching riffs like Oasis does. "For Tomorrow" is a great song, but c'mon, Bowie wrote that twenty years beforehand. In contrast, Pulp sounded like Pulp and not "Pulp ripping off the Beatles" or "Pulp trying to be XTC and the Kinks". I saw Jarvis Cocker play a few weeks ago for his American solo tour. Good times. WesleyDodds 22:29, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
I bought the Lullabies to Violaine Vol. 1 comp last year when my local Tower Records was closing. It's funny how they turn so sharply from Banshees-esque goth to that etheral dream pop sound they patented. I really should listen to that more, instead of . . . uhh . . . Achtung Baby (It was the last CD I bought; not as overrated as I thought it'd be.) And funny story: a friend of a friend, who I thus have never met, sent me an angry message online because I said Ride was better than MBV. Of course MBV are objectively better, but I prefer Ride as songwriters. Well, at least up to Nowhere. Not sure what they were thinking after that. WesleyDodds 22:50, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
I quite like "Taste" WesleyDodds 23:00, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

On to other matters, I made sure that my library has a copy of Touching from a Distance (hopefully we'd all be working from the same edition). Do you have a timetable of when you'd like to start working on Joy Division? Right now my major project is doing some cleanup on an older FA, but when that's done I'm up for it. However, I know you've got a number of projects lined up in the coming weeks. I think it'd be great to get this article up on the front page around the time the film is released in the UK this fall (looks like we won't be seeing that new Joy Division tour, though). WesleyDodds 23:23, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Polite request

Hi mate, I'm not sure if you have the time though if you do could you leave some feedback at this peer review? I think the article is rather good and definitely FAC material, though apart from my one minor comment there's been no other responses. The user is Angmering, a worthy editor on TV / film related topics who I happen to chat to via Wikipedia and also monitor his current projects - a cool Wikipedian! He has a few FAs to his credit and even one FAC running at present, though due to the fact he writes on little known TV topics unfortunately they get little response. What's more gutting is the fact I feel if he gets little response he may decide against FACing the article. Any help you can offer is greatly appreciated, though if you cannot contribute to the PR then I totally understand. Thanks for your time. :) LuciferMorgan 17:49, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alternative music WikiProject newsletter

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[edit] Be somewhere now

I'm occasionally tempted to buy that album, but everything I read tells me otherwise. You have the John Harris Britpop book, right? There's some entertaining bits there. I might take a stab at the article, but I feel I'm hindered by the fact that I've never actually heard it. Oh, buying Stop the Clocks was supposed to cure some of that unfamiliarity, but then Noel Gallagher decided to excise the album from his canon nand instead I get two discs with like 15 songs I already own. Makes for great interview material, though ("It's the sound of five men in a studio, on coke, not giving a fuck. There's no bass to it at all, don't know where that went. The songs are too long and the lyrics are shit and for every millisecond Liam is not singing, there's a guitar riff there in a 'Wayne's World' style."). WesleyDodds 21:33, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Huh, in the last few days all the Oasis soundclips got deleted. Can you upload replacements? WesleyDodds 22:16, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
I can go ahead and cite the John Harris book if you want. I was worried that if we both have the book (and probably different editions) citations could get messy and confusing. Oh, and if you haven't, I'd suggest checking out the Live Forever documentary. It features Noel talking shit about everybody (along with the great opinion of Be Here Now he expressed), Liam asking the interviewer to explain the word "androgynous", Damon Albarn starring as The Bitterest Man Alive, and Jarvis Cocker being Jarvis. WesleyDodds 00:11, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
My favorite part of the DVD is the "Interviews" special feature where Noel reacts to interviewer telling him about Damon Albarn wanting to comment on the Americanization of Britain with Parklife. He's so exasperated and then firmly details that Blur is alright with him, but he hates Damon Albarn for being a pretentious cock. WesleyDodds 00:25, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
No American release date has been set yet for Control, which means I might just have to fly to the UK in the fall. I'll go ahead and cite the John Harris book, except for the parts where it looks like he's referencing the Creation Records book; you can take care of that later when you're back home and settled. I also have the a reprint of the original NME review of the album, which pretty much amounts to, "It's kind of crap, but we still like it, so let's give it seven stars!!!"WesleyDodds 08:57, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

On first glance I'd suggest merging the Politics setion with the biography. I honestly don't see why it needs to be separate; aside from his term in the Irish Senate the other stuff can possibly be addressed in an overview of themes in the "Work" section. His winning of the Nobel Prize definitely needs to be mentioned earlier. Once you do that, I can help you with copyediting. WesleyDodds 23:50, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

I suggest merging the last paragraph of the "Marketing" section into the "Reception" section, since the later section covers a lot of the same material. WesleyDodds 10:24, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

In the Harris book I've found a quote by Noel criticizing the album during a June 1997 interview (page 338 in my version). It starts off: "I'm proud of the songs, but I think me and Owen got a bit lazy in the studio. That's my opinion, and I'm allowed to say it - no-one else is." Where do you want me to put it? WesleyDodds 09:07, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

This is the best I've got on short notice: [2] WesleyDodds 09:41, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
I've added some detail on the Radio 1 preview fiasco in the "Marketing and promotion" section. You might have to put a citation in the second paragraph now to cover the material placed before the Harris cite I added. WesleyDodds 10:22, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GBS ref edit

Thanks! Well done.Wugo 12:20, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Concerning "Works available online." If I were brushing up on GBS, the links would be quite welcome. If they prove to be excessive they can be easily removed at any time; for now I'd like to keep them.

I would value your opinion about the section on vegetarianism. Should that minor aspect be so prominently displayed or should it be mentioned in a new section cataloging Shaw's other unorthodox convictions? Such a list might include his objections to vaccination, his view of evolution as an impulse of the "Life Force" to develop Superhumans, his beliefs that formal education only stultified a student and schools were only useful as places for storing unwanted offspring. Such oddities seem important because they frequently are echoed in the body of his writing. Wugo 01:15, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Spamlike? I hadn't thought of that. The preponderance of plays are available at Gutenberg. I could say that and group them, providing but a single link. Same thing for other sources. Would that be acceptable?Wugo 02:12, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Eyes of the Insane

I'd like to thank for your help with "Eyes of the Insane". Currently at the FAC, Giano wishes to know which key the song is in, and this is information I cannot seem to find out. Do you know which key it is in, and if so, could you add it to the article? I'd be ever so grateful, as musical keys isn't my area of expertise. LuciferMorgan 08:36, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

By the way, this is what Giano said; Different movements can be in differing keys, but there should be one persistant returning principal key. "Drop B"? That would be unusual and very signoficant and need to be in the article - if it is a miserable piece it could well be in "B minor". If references are confused between C and B maybe it is in "C flat major" but that could make it a difficult piece to play. So it is quite important to know. It'd be great to solve this mystery, and thanks for your time. LuciferMorgan 08:38, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Trim them, feel free. FAR is coming back to bite me on the ass, and I won't let that screw with my FAC. LuciferMorgan 17:58, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

I've already did what Raul654 has asked me to, so don't go psycho on trimming the sentences for PMAnderson - if PMAnderson was that concerned about citations he would be opposing at Sebastiani. Can't see it passing now though with PMAnderson's phantom "concerns" miraculously gaining credibility. As concerns my next project, I haven't really decided yet - likely either the Slayer album "Diabolus in Musica" (to GA) or the Iron Maiden demo / cassette tape "The Soundhouse Tapes" (to GA, but maybe even to FA depending on whether there's enough critical reception available). LuciferMorgan 18:09, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

That is not the sheet music - so I can't tell. That page does mention "drop B" so we can probably assume it is, from what I can tell from that page, there are a lot of flats etc - so perhaps Drop B should be explained and why it is is discordent to so many notes, and also why it such an unusual key. I may be wrong but I think it is unique to guitar so perhaps that should be explained - rather like the original score of "Danse Macabre" something so unusual in music should be explained. - I can't read music, so all this is rather alien to me. I cannot understand any of it unfortunately Do you of anyone I can find who can address Giano's concern in the article? I'm seriously getting stuck on this one. Guess I should learn to read music :) LuciferMorgan 18:57, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

It's been promoted Ceoil, so the worry is over. Thanks for all your help in this, since I wouldn't have done it without you or Metalhead. LuciferMorgan 19:36, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Helping all around

You might be interested in this: Wikipedia:Peer review/Stereolab/archive1. Pretty solid article, might be able to just skip the GA process and go straight to FA, although I think it should go through GAC first anyway just to get another critical eye. If you're done with the rearranging at Yeats, let me know so I can do a full copyedit. Also, looks like "Live Forever" is going to be this week's Alternative Music collaboration, so between that and Be Here Now I'm going to be reading and watching a lot of Noel Gallagher interviews in the next few days. I think I can manage all that. WesleyDodds 22:07, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

I went ahead and picked up that Q issue so I could cite parts of the Keith Cameron Be Here Now article myself. Not sure what pleases me more, that I discovered there's a book of Simon Reynolds essays coming out, or that the brief feature on Wilco near the front uses that supposed Americanism "alt-rock" in the title. The bit about Be Here Now costing Oasis approxmiately five million fans worldwide in hard numbers was priceless, as well. WesleyDodds 02:21, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

This has come along way. Would appreciate your feedback. Still looking for additional sources. WesleyDodds 09:26, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Epbr

Responding won't have much affect. Just leave him. Marskell 21:28, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Karmichael Hunt

Could you peer review Karmichael Hunt? It would be much appreciated.

Article - Karmichael Hunt

Peer review - Wikipedia:Peer review/Karmichael Hunt

Thanks. SpecialWindler 01:44, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


[edit] William Shakespeare

Please check out the revised lead to William Shakespeare. I think I've addressed your concerns. If not, please let me know. We're also made the other changes you suggested. Thanks, --Alabamaboy 00:25, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

I've reworked the lead, based on an expansion I made to the article's Influences section. Please let me know if I'm now barking up the right tree. Please also note that I've added info to the article regarding the performance history, per another editors comments. Thanks again for all your useful critiques. Best,--Alabamaboy 00:48, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the work. RedRabbit1983 17:23, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] R.E.M.

I'm definitely a fan of the earlier stuff (odd of course since they released their first album the year I was born), but I'll probably run into trouble with the later years not because I hate their later records, but because I just don't care about their records post-Berry. Apathy versus distaste; actually makes a difference when dedicating yourself to spending hours searching up old articles, I've found. However, I do have a friend who's also a fan who, after hearing Around the Sun, insisted they stop making music.

Do you think the comparisons made with The Smiths are out of place? The books I have note they were compared quite often, I'm just wondering if it fits well in the article so far. WesleyDodds 11:08, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

When I'm trying to explain the importance of the Smiths to people, I sometimes say "they were the British R.E.M." WesleyDodds 11:18, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm sure if they stuck it out a few more years you would've gotten around to seeing Morrissey and Marr working their ridiculous hit into a bizarre display where they sing on a children's show surrounded by puppets. In a related note, sometimes I'm glad Kurt died before Nirvana could begin to suck horribly in public. WesleyDodds 11:24, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Kevin Shields is always threatening to release one more MBV record before he dies. Personally I'm warming to the theory that he's waiting until Chinese Democracy is finally released and disappoints millions of people until he makes his move. WesleyDodds 11:29, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
It's the fans who'll feel the brunt of anti-climactic disappointment. Given I'm a huge fan of The Smashing Pumpkins, being confronted with the fact that their upcoming album will most likely totally suck is akin to experiencing a car crash in slow motion. Listening to their new single I found myself uttering the soul-crushing words, "Oh, thank god! It isn't completely terrible!" WesleyDodds 11:41, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
If the career arc of the Loveless-worshipping Billy Corgan is anything to go by, prepare yourself for the "experimental" electronic album that will actually sound an awful lot like someone adding blips and drum machines to the mid-eigthies discographies of The Cure and Depeche Mode. WesleyDodds 11:53, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

"Harborcoat" is actually my favorite song from Reckoning. I think we have enough samples for the page right now (unless you can think of a sonic aspect of the band that hasn't been displayed yet), although you could always put some up for each album on their individual pages. Un-R.E.M. related: if you could, please replace the deleted clip over at "Live Forever". And hell, post up whatever clip from Be Here Now that makes you think "This sounds like it was recorded on cocaine" the most. WesleyDodds 12:20, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

I've always felt the best part of Oasis is Liam's voice. Kurt Cobain needs more cleanup; User:Brandt Luke Zorn bought Heavier Than Heaven not too long ago and is currently reading though it so he can add more footnotes. We plan to move it to Peer Review after that. I've done all I can with "Just Like Heaven" for the moment, so unless I find a really good article about the song I haven't read before it's good as is. I might have to go through my sources again and do some more cleanup, but "Live Forever" might be ready for GA nomination soon. WesleyDodds 21:25, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

I'll help with the Be Here Now FAC soon enough. R.E.M. is almost ready for a GA nomination. I'd appreciate any further cleanup assistance you could offer. The Reveal/Around the Sun section is one part that definitely needs cleanup and citation. WesleyDodds 11:11, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

That is actually a remanant from the pre-COTW lead. Rephrase as you see fit. WesleyDodds 21:25, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] R.E.M.

Great! There's so much useful information on that page. Do you know when the band adopted their name? We could simply note that they adopted the name after the four band members met, but I'm not sure if that's correct. CloudNine 14:20, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Q

Anything on the lyrical themes of the album (Be Here Now) available, and critical reception to those lyrical themes? Such a section is present in Christ Illusion, so it's a thought. LuciferMorgan 10:48, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pearl Jam

I've submitted Pearl Jam for peer review here; could you add any comments or suggestions on how to improve the article? Thanks! CloudNine 11:55, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Non-free use disputed for Image:Francis Bacon Untitled, 1944.JPG

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-- Jesus christ. Ceoil 16:48, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

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WikiProject Alternative music June 2007 Newsletter

The Alternative music WikiProject Newsletter
Issue 3 - June 2007
"I had a pair of cotton black pants, and I wore them every day for months. And Bill hung them outside the van 'cos they smelled so bad. And they flapped off on the highway. They were the only ones I had." - Michael Stipe
Project news
New members

Riana, Kyjb70 and Scarps joined the alternative music fold during June.

Editors

User:CloudNine


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WikiProject Alternative music July 2007 Newsletter

The Alternative music WikiProject Newsletter
Issue 4 - July 2007
"Thurston Moore? Is that your real name? I mean, give me a break. You made that up. That's a good one. Did you have a mom and shit like that?" - Gibby Haynes
Project news
New members

Killereditors, Xihix, M2Ys4U and Lostvalley joined the alternative music fold during July.

Editors

User:CloudNine, User:WesleyDodds


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