Talk:Cardboard box

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This article was nominated for deletion on 251005. The result of the discussion was keep. An archived record of this discussion can be found here.

If anyone has a deeper and more intricate knowledge of cardboard boxes, any contributions would be welcome.

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[edit] Paperboard

This article currently confuses corrugated cardboard with paperboard (the stuff cereal boxes is made out of) and uncorrugated cardboard (posterboard), such as is used for jigsaw puzzles. —Wahoofive (talk) 18:14, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cardboard boxes in Popular Culture

Maybe a section could be added that talks about Various uses of Cardboard Boxes in Popular Culture.

The Most Prevalent in the Famous Metal Gear Solid Series where it is not only used as a disguise but has also become sort of a joke in the game where Snake has said "It was Like I was Meant to be in the Box" or "Love your Box" something like that... —dady5000 (talk) 18:50, 12th May 2006 (UTC)

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If such a thing is truly necessary, then why doesnt the article for barrel include references to Donkey Kong or Sly Cooper? I know this hasnt been touched on for almost two years but is this really encyclopedic? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.69.94.129 (talk) 01:01, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

You know, you could always extend the "Popular culture" subsection by stating that both Starsky & Hutch and The A-Team seem to crash through roughly 4000 cardboard boxes in every episode of their respective programs. Just a thought.

[edit] Box Size?

There are numbers of sizes for boxes? ShigeruNomi 23:18, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Homeless people

In the article it says "Living in a cardboard box is stereotypically associated with homelessness." I don't really know what stereotypically means but I've heard some people really live in boxes. --Taida 03:32, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

See stereotype. —Bkell (talk) 04:04, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removed essay

I removed the following section from the article, as it seemed like an essay rather than a valid encyclopedia section (plus it was POV and belongs in the cardboard article, not cardboard box). It was written by 216.23.87.5 (talk • contribs • info • WHOIS). -- Powers T 14:23, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Its "CORRUGATED" NOT "CARDBOARD"

The public typically calls a corrugated box a "cardboard" box. Manufacturers of corrugated products do not like this reference. Within the industry, the material is known as "corrugated". The difference is that corrugated board is made of one(or more) layer of corrugated(wavy) paper bonded between two (or more) layers of flat paper, cardboard does not have the "corrugated" inner layer. Corrugated board is stiffer and more suitable for shipping containers and protecting its contents. Cardboard is better suited for printing and is used for cereal boxes and other similar light weight consumer packaging. Corrugated board is manufactured in varying strengths and thicknesses. If there is only one corrugated layer it is referred to as singlewall corrugated, if there are two corrugated layers it is referred to as "doublewall", three layers = triplewall, etc. etc.

[edit] Vandalism

I reverted an edit that was at best full of spelling errors and had no citations, but was most likely vandalism by Asnake8u. Mad031683 17:35, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sir Malcolm Thornhill

I can find no source for the name Sir Malcolm Thornhill being associated with the first cardboard box. I've removed him, and made comments in edit summaries to that effect. His name was added several years ago, in a way that made it appear to be associated with the ref that provided the date, but I think it was likely just made up, or some guy adding the name of his friend or something. Since I removed it, at least four editors have put it back, with not so much as an edit summary to explain why. If there's a source, let's find it and add it; otherwise, let's leave it out, and not make wikipedia a source for misinformation. Please note that the numerous web pages that got it from wikipedia don't count as sources. Dicklyon (talk) 21:57, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Blatant Vandalism

I have received a number of messages regarding deletion of facts on this article, as I graduated Ohio university six years ago and have access to the complete collection of the Ohio Journal of Science I know for a fact that the cardboard box was bought into production by Sir Malcolm Thornhill, I have referenced it a number of times and yet it is still being deleted by users with total disregard to the useful research tool of wikipedia. It’s a shame but what can you do. I wouldn't be surprised to find that Dick Lyon invented the cardboard next time a log on. He seems to like bullying new users to believe anything he writes. Is this what wikipedia is coming to? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clblfgoldie123 (talk • contribs) 15:13, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

No, I don't think I'll let anyone add my name as the inventor, either. Why are you crying vandalism instead of responding to a perfectly civil for a verifiable source? Have you said anything that you believe helps? Stating that you have access to the latest claimed source is not the same as telling us what it says, and when/where. It would be great to have a verifiable conclusion here, so please help. Dicklyon (talk) 16:12, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

The source was clearly stated on wiki, and still deleted by I wonder who??? Have you said anything that you believe helps? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clblfgoldie123 (talk • contribs) 16:36, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

There's no need to wonder who; use the history link on the article page to verify that it was me. As to your contributions, you first added Sir Malcolm Thornhill with no comment and no source, like several anons before you. Then you added a vague source, in a way that removed the date from the source in which it was verifiable. This kind of behavior, esp. by a new editor who resorts to personal attacks in lieu of discussion, does not give you a ring of credibility yourself. I am not able to find any shred in web search, book search, or Google scholar to link Malcolm Thornhill to cardboard box or to the Ohio Journal of Science. That's why I keep asking for more info; a full citation, quote, or scan of the relevant page would be most useful. Or a statement from an editor in good standing that he had looked at it. What can you tell us? Dicklyon (talk) 17:45, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

In regards to Clblfgoldie123 comments I can fully agree, Dicklyon does seem to pick on new users, a number of people have made comments on this. Shame really. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Steveo521242 (talk • contribs) 19:19, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

And you made an account just to say that! I'm glad I could motivate you to become an editor. But my mode is to pick on content, not users. It may be that flaky content comes disproportionately from new users; I haven't investigated that possible correalation, but maybe. Dicklyon (talk) 19:34, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Yet again another dig at a new user —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clblfgoldie123 (talk • contribs) 09:35, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Right its time to end this silly argument, i am sure we all want the best for wiki so the way i see it is as follows: Dick has hinted that new users post "flaky content" and i have clearly said that he bullies new users. So lets see whos right I will try to prove my comments while Dick can prove his, since he believes in proving every fact on wiki he should have no problem. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clblfgoldie123 (talk • contribs) 10:14, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I am away on business for a few days, however when I return the Thornhill fact shall be proved, until then please leave it alone unless proved otherwise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.50.80.2 (talk) 13:24, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Anonymous, I hope you're right; if we can make it verifiable, we can stop arguing. But I just left a final vandalism warning on your talk page, because based on your other edits, and before I saw your note here, it appeared that you were just a vandal who likes to insert random names as inventors of things, like the way you paired the name David Mann with two different possible stapler inventors in different edits. If there's something to this, do let us know, because so far you're not looking too good. Dicklyon (talk) 16:16, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

It appears Mr.Dick may have made an error, in fact here is my contributions page: 10:14, 17 January 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Dicklyon‎ (→Blatant Vandalism) 10:14, 17 January 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Cardboard box‎ (→Blatant Vandalism) 09:35, 17 January 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Cardboard box‎ (→Blatant Vandalism) 16:38, 16 January 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Dicklyon‎ (→Blatant Vandalism) 16:36, 16 January 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Cardboard box‎ (→Blatant Vandalism) 15:17, 16 January 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Dicklyon‎ (→Image:AmericanScientistStamps_cropped.jpg listed for deletion) 15:13, 16 January 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Cardboard box‎ (→Sir Malcolm Thornhill) 10:49, 15 January 2008 (hist) (diff) Cardboard box‎ (→History) 10:00, 11 January 2008 (hist) (diff) Cardboard box‎ (→History)

I see nothing about Mr.Dick's friend David Mann or his stapler. False accusations Mr.Dick is not wanted here. Its not looking very good for you at the moment is it Mr.Dick?

Also the fact that the Thornhill thing has been on wiki two years before I even joined can hardly mean I just made it up, and the fact that a number of editors have added it since makes it even more likely that it is a correct fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clblfgoldie123 (talk • contribs)

I was referring to the contribution of the anonymous IP address whose comment I was responding to: 195.50.80.2. So are you saying that this is sometimes you, and sometimes, not, perhaps because you were posting from an internet cafe or hotel while traveling? I'm happy to acknowledge the mistake if that's the case. Log in to help prevent such mistakes. Dicklyon (talk) 16:15, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
But I don't see how the two years elapsed since someone inserted the name into a sourced statement, where the source did not support that addition, makes it any more likely to be true. Dicklyon (talk) 16:15, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I wasn't aware that you were referring to the anonymous ID; I am not in any way related to that person. I though you was referring to me since I have not been signing off my postings properly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clblfgoldie123 (talk • contribs) 19:59, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

OK, good, I'm glad you're not him. But I think you can see why we're having trouble here. Four different newbies and anons adding stuff with no source, followed by one vague assertion of a source by you, followed by your personal attacks on the person who is working to try to get to a verifiable answer (me), followed by confusion about who is saying what to whom due to failures to sign and to read. Let's get our act together and fix it, OK? Bring us a source. Dicklyon (talk) 20:25, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I will try my best to get a source together when I can. I must say that I think all ‘personal attacks’ are entirely self inflicted, however this is not really the place to discuss this. So far I have evidence of Malcolm Thornhill producing the cardboard in 1817, however no evidence of him being a Sir or having any title at all, as far as I am aware he died in poverty. I will try to verify this fact before I post my evidence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clblfgoldie123 (talk • contribs) 20:51, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Another editor has again made an account for the specific purposes of vandalizing my user page and adding Malcolm Thornhill here. I'm having a hard time imagining what's so important about this guy, or about my attempt to clean up unsourced claims, that someone would be motivated to such childish behavior. Surely they can't think it contributes toward resolving the quesion, can they? Anyway, I look forward to you providing a source, since you're our contact in Ohio with access to the only likely source we've heard of, so we can get this behind us. Dicklyon (talk) 16:35, 19 January 2008 (UTC)